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gspringman
True Blue Farmgirl

387 Posts

Gail
Bonanza Oregon
USA
387 Posts

Posted - Feb 11 2012 :  6:23:14 PM  Show Profile  Send gspringman a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
I have never been one who prepared for emergencies and such, but with the way things are looking in our country, so many folks are out of work, the changes in the weather and in some places crime rates increasing, that we are choosing to be dilagent about preparing for tough times ahead. I have started to add a few more staples to the grocery list so that we will be somewhat ahead of the game in case of a disaster and we are unable to get into town. I hope to have a greenhouse up this Spring to have a longer growing season. I am learning to dehydrate produce for longer storage life. Reading up on ways to be able to survive if circumstances arise. I am aware of the doomsday predictions, pray that's all it is, and choose to believe that what we are doing is a sensible thing. Just being prepared.
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Gail
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osbornefarms
True Blue Farmgirl

94 Posts

Leslea
tn
USA
94 Posts

Posted - Feb 11 2012 :  8:32:53 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Me and my husband started a few years back buying extra food like rice ,beans, caned meat . We do can a lot . And it came in handy when my husband got laid off. And when the weather got bad we didn't stress about going to the store we knew we had food put up.
Powder milk is a good thing and if you get corn bread mix make sure to get the one that says water only.
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Fiddlehead Farm
True Blue Farmgirl

4463 Posts

Diane
Bandera TX
USA
4463 Posts

Posted - Feb 12 2012 :  06:03:35 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Apparently over 3 million Americans are some sort of prepper. http://www.shtfplan.com/emergency-preparedness/doomsday-report-three-million-preppers-in-america-are-getting-for-the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it_02112012

My DH and I are stocking up and learning the skills needed to be more self-sufficient. I guess that is some sort of prepping.

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gspringman
True Blue Farmgirl

387 Posts

Gail
Bonanza Oregon
USA
387 Posts

Posted - Feb 12 2012 :  12:41:44 PM  Show Profile  Send gspringman a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Diane, that link has some good information for those who are just starting out. Thank you. Now if I could only learn how to oraganize. ugh...

Gail
Farmgirl #486

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rksmith
True Blue Farmgirl

782 Posts

Rachel
Clayton GA
USA
782 Posts

Posted - Feb 12 2012 :  4:19:07 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
We watched Doomsday Preppers last week it was quite interesting! Got some ideas to use ourselves.

Rachel
Farmgirl Sister #2753

True enlightenment is nothing but the nature of one's own self being fully realised-- His Holiness the Dali Lama

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oregonatural
True Blue Farmgirl

152 Posts

Susan
Sprague River OR
USA
152 Posts

Posted - Feb 26 2012 :  12:06:22 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yup! I'm not sure I'd call myself a prepper, but yes, we're prepared for the siege. We're off-grid (in Sprague River!) and I think it's very important for everyone to have the means to cook food and provide for their families in the event of emergency. Water, light, food and a way to cook it. At the very least everyone needs that!

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sonshine4u
Chapter Guru

1002 Posts

April
New Prague MN
USA
1002 Posts

Posted - Feb 27 2012 :  6:21:07 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I just saw the Doomsday Preppers show on National Geographic. Some of it is crazy, some of it is practical. It's really interesting. We've been chatting about being prepared for several years. I feel we are building our skill sets and need to continue down this path. It feels good to not be totally ignorant of basic skills.

Playing in the Sonshine
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rksmith
True Blue Farmgirl

782 Posts

Rachel
Clayton GA
USA
782 Posts

Posted - Feb 28 2012 :  5:32:28 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think that learning basic life skills would be more important than storing things...although having a good back up of food, water and other necessary supplies is a good idea. BUT if you know how to get food, make a shelter, etc you could get by without it. I was talking with my son the other day about the things that we do in our house that none of his friends or his dad's side of the family know how to do and he was amazed, lol.

Rachel
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DebbiE
Farmgirl at Heart

8 Posts

Debra
Kennebunk Maine
USA
8 Posts

Posted - Mar 01 2012 :  2:29:17 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It's always good to have some emergency provisions on hand. Not sure I am a prepper, but like the idea of being able to have things around to take care of us if times get hard. I come from a long line of farm girls and have seen home canning and "living off the land" all my life. As an old Girl Scout, I try to always Be Prepared.
DebbiE

Maine Farmgirl, weaving a life.
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FARMALLChick
True Blue Farmgirl

876 Posts

Lora
Alexandria IN
USA
876 Posts

Posted - Mar 08 2012 :  1:42:22 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
We had a large cache of canned goods, as well as frozen and dried foods. All that was lost in the fire so we have to start over.
We talked it over and we are going to NOT store everything in the house again. I am going to get some metal trash cans that I can lock the lid on (keep critters out) and put one in each barn, the garage and garden shed. Each will be filled with emergency supplies including garden seeds. I don't want to go overboard, but I do want to be prepared. 2 years ago we went with out running water for 6 days due to subzero temps and a frozen water line. It was interesting to say the least!


Lora

If it ain't red, leave it in the shed.
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rksmith
True Blue Farmgirl

782 Posts

Rachel
Clayton GA
USA
782 Posts

Posted - Mar 08 2012 :  3:59:26 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
One of the pointers we got from the show was about storing supplies in different locations in case something did happen to one location. Definitely a good idea. You could also bury some of your stores in the ground, I was reading up on DIY root cellars the other day and one of the plans was to use trash cans buried and then covered. I am thinking about putting some out back in the more shady areas of our yard.

Do any of you preserve eggs? I was also reading up on that and am going to start putting some up since our girls give us more than we can use at a time. I have never met anyone who has preserved them before though. What I read it that you cover them with lard (or salted butter or some other oil) and pack them in salt. I've got lots of awesome lard, got some salt today and I have a large tote with a lid to put them in, so we'll see how that goes. Hopefully when it gets too hot and too cold for them to lay I won't have to buy eggs this year!!!

Rachel
Farmgirl Sister #2753

True enlightenment is nothing but the nature of one's own self being fully realised-- His Holiness the Dali Lama

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rough start farmgirl
True Blue Farmgirl

2949 Posts

marianne
The Beautiful Pacific NW Washington State
USA
2949 Posts

Posted - Mar 24 2012 :  02:02:35 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
That show was a bit alarming. Good ideas, but I have to take them with a grain of salt. No offense to those who are working so hard to safekeep their families.
Marianne
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rksmith
True Blue Farmgirl

782 Posts

Rachel
Clayton GA
USA
782 Posts

Posted - Mar 24 2012 :  05:08:50 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think like any tv show its really all about the ratings, so of course they are going to show the most "out there" stuff they can find and play it up. Some of the people and situations they have had on there just make me shake my head and crack up. But at the same time, we have gotten some useful tips on storage, etc. The few people I know who like to be prepared are not *that* die hard about it and have not spent tens of thousands of dollars on it--I know we don't. But growing up we always canned and had stuff available if we needed it; the mantra from my dad was always "better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it" and that has definitely stuck. I do like knowing that if I"m sick (since I'm the one bringing in an income) and have to miss work for a few days or a week (without pay), we have food and our animals have food. We prepare for more likely situations like that than doomsday, but I'm sure we could get through that too, lol.

Rachel
Farmgirl Sister #2753

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Ninibini
True Blue Farmgirl

5562 Posts

Nini
Pennsylvania
USA
5562 Posts

Posted - Mar 24 2012 :  08:53:44 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My family and I have been discussing this all week. We only recently found the "Doomsday Preppers" and "Doomsday Bunkers" programs and have been watching them, partly with great interest, and partly with great shock. I mean, we do prepare a little bit. Prices are getting higher, so I buy when I see a good deal, or try to stock up on things that I know we use a lot of. I also buy water, batteries and other things in case of emergency - we have seen a lot more incidents of weather events interrupting power, and we had a huge tornado pass through only a few miles from here last year, so it does make you think about what you'll need to see you through. I've learned some valuable information from these shows, too, to be sure! Lots of food for thought! But these people on these programs - oh my word! What kind of world are they preparing to live in?

You mean to tell me that if people in their neighborhood are starving and come to them for help, they would actually be able to sleep with themselves knowing they have turned them away - or worse, like that guy will do, "fry" anyone who tries to get into his bunker??? What is that going to do to his kid's psyche? How will he live with himself after that? How great that will be to climb out of their hole and find all these charred human remains tumbling down their stairwell. Yeah. Good times.

And what about those people who are planning the nuclear silo communities? Let's say they're at home, hosting a family gathering. Suddenly the news breaks that we're under attack or invasion. Are they going to politely excuse themselves, grab their kids, their emergency getaway bags and leave their family and friends behind to suffer and/or die? REALLY? Poor Granny! What kind of people are they?

And what about that survivalist prepper guy up in Maine! Really? You like to sneak up on your 7 year old daughter by sticking a bb gun to her head while she's playing and see if she can bring you down? Good Lord, man! Where in the world is Youth Services?! These people seem to me to be scaring their kids and taking away their hope of a bright future rather than instilling strength and wisdom and a sense of hope in them. Prepare them and give them life skills - absolutely! But I think his self-defense preparation goes a little bit too far, I'm sorry.

And REALLY? Grandpa and Grandma are stockpiling a weapons vault that shames most military museums right there in the heart of their barn? Didn't they take down David Koresh and his community of followers for something like this? Where's the Christianity in blowing off someone's head, I ask you?! I realize these people are the extremists out there, and I do think preparing to take care of yourself and your loved ones is important, but when do these people pose more of a threat to society than protection to themselves?

And as I was watching that one guy who instructs teens for Doomsday preparedness, my jaw just dropped. He really concerns me - does he not remember Columbine? Kids are kids - not adults! Remember Hitler's Youth, buddy? Where are you going with this, really? What is the limit to all of this?

And when you hear these people's thoughts about how society will be - how people will be starving and become like animals and eating each other - one guy actually used the term "Zombies"... Oh my word! All I can say is, if that's the kind of world that Doomsday survivors face, "Take me home, Lord. Take me home!" Heaven will be way better than that!

I say prepare... yes, prepare so you can save money, set aside a little something for a rainy day, and even better set aside so that when a cyclone hits, you have a place to weather the storm and, if you're lucky enough to survive, you have enough supplies to see you through. Storm shelters are one thing; but dang it, if you're thinking that you've got a nuclear plant in your back yard and that in the event of a nuclear melt down you're going to head to the woods and live in a bunker for a year, if not more, and that your family won't go so stir crazy that you won't kill each other... Well, then, I ask to you consider: what are you really digging here? A fancy schmancey tomb?

Uhhhhh... People worry me. I'm not so much concerned about the end of the world as I am about the kooky people who currently live in our existing world.

Okay... I'm off my high horse again, and walking like a cowboy. Sorry. Thanks for putting up with my rant. I just had to get that off my chest.

Oh - and putting all of that aside: Rachel... The "gourmet prepper" said that you rub fresh eggs with mineral oil and they will last 8 months or so. I thought that was pretty cool, to be honest. :) I wonder just how well that works and how safe the eggs are, though - does anyone know?


Hugs and happiness to all -

Nini

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rksmith
True Blue Farmgirl

782 Posts

Rachel
Clayton GA
USA
782 Posts

Posted - Mar 24 2012 :  12:07:54 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have put up a few dozen eggs but I used coconut oil and salt (cause that's what I had). The plan is to let them sit a few months and crack some open to see if they're still good. But that idea I did get from her, then I researched it and found a couple of other ways to do it, such as using coconut oil, lard, real salted butter, etc.

I think most of the people on the show are way more extreme, but to each his/her own I suppose. The bunkers show is pretty nifty to watch too. With the economy being in such bad shape I wonder where these people are getting the cash to buy these things cause they are not cheap!!!! It does spark some interesting conversation with DH though.

Rachel
Farmgirl Sister #2753

True enlightenment is nothing but the nature of one's own self being fully realised-- His Holiness the Dali Lama

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Fiddlehead Farm
True Blue Farmgirl

4463 Posts

Diane
Bandera TX
USA
4463 Posts

Posted - Mar 25 2012 :  06:01:25 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Nini,
I totally agree with you. I just have to try and stay hopeful, eventhough I am married to a prepper. I have just been learning homesteading skills to be more self sufficient.

Those doomsday shows really exploit the people on them all for ratings. If you were really a Doomsday Prepper, the last thing you would do is go on a show like that and tell everyone where your stash is!

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farmgirl sister #922

I am trying to be the person my dogs think I am.

I get up every morning determined to both change the world and have one hell of a good time. Sometimes this makes planning my day difficult.
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woolgirl
True Blue Farmgirl

900 Posts

Elizabeth
Great Lakes IL
USA
900 Posts

Posted - Mar 25 2012 :  10:55:45 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I wouldn't call myself as much of a "prepper" as I would "preparer". I guess there isn't much of a difference, but to me it just is being prepared to a lesser extreme. Since we move so much it is hard to build up a supply of needed supplies, especially since we are only allotted a certain poundage for big moves. But we do have a few shelves in the basement with boxes of MRE's, canned foods, water, blankets, medical supplies, and a few other things. We could probably get by for a few weeks, I would like to get that up to 6 weeks. Those shows about the bunkers do crack me up though. Especially the "zombies" bit. But the amount of money some of those people spend blows my mind!

Liz
Farmgirl #1947
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Oggie
True Blue Farmgirl

523 Posts

Ginny
Machias Maine
USA
523 Posts

Posted - Mar 26 2012 :  7:48:54 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Diane, thanks for the laugh! You hit the nail on the head girl! "If you were really a Doomsday Prepper, the last thing you would do is go on a show like that and tell everyone where your stash is!"



Ginny
Farmgirl #2343
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Ninibini
True Blue Farmgirl

5562 Posts

Nini
Pennsylvania
USA
5562 Posts

Posted - Mar 26 2012 :  9:45:34 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm all for being as self-sufficient as possible, Diane, believe me! You're okay in my book - Tops! THE BEST!!!

That's so funny and so true, girls. That's one thing that really cracked me up - when the husband from the older couple boasted how nobody knew where they're stash was, and then in the next moment his wife yelled out for him to get something for her from storage in the barn! My son immediately picked up on that one and exclaimed, "Well, the jig is up! Your secret is out now!" LOL!

And I know what you mean, Liz. My foster daughter and I were discussing that the other day. She asked how in the world do these people afford this? I'm figuring some of them have tapped into retirement funds or something. One guy said that this is all he spends his money on, so there you have it. I imagine he doesn't get to really enjoy life very much; it doesn't seem like much of an existence to me, but, like you said, Rachel, to each his own.

Regarding the zombies: We watched a really silly movie tonight called, "Bubba Hotep." It was about an undead zombie preying on elderly patients in a nursing home, sucking their souls in order to survive. It really was a stupid movie, almost "campy," but funny. Anyhow, the two patients who fought the zombie simply squirted him with a mixture of rubbing alcohol and gasoline (Eghads!), and then lit it him on fire. I absolutely, hands down do NOT recommend anyone try that at home, but I will say, it looked pretty effective. Maybe we should stock up on some rubbing alcohol, just in case the zombies attack!

I loved LOVED the one with the couple who have turned their pool into a self-sustaining ecosystem. though! They were AWESOME! I wouldn't want that in my backyard, but you have to give them credit where credit is due. The way they have it all working together - that's just amazing. Kudos for their ingenuity!

I also loved the woman from Massachusetts (I think that's where she was) who thought prepping and setting goals for her entire community to work together to help each other through was the key instead of stockpiling weapons. To me, she seemed pretty darn smart. It seems much more sensible that the only way people are going to survive something like this is if they pool their skills and resources, and work together for the common good. (If you and your family are the only ones to survive, and if you kill off all "intruders," how in the world are you going to re-populate, as they discuss doing? Boggles the mind.) I'm sure in that type of scenario that weapons would have their place, too, but I would hope they would be more necessary for hunting. I had to laugh when the guy said he wasn't worried about weapons and how he'd just invite strangers in, show them his abundance, and share a meal with them. He said if he felt threatened by them, he'd just poison their food or hack them while they were sleeping. WOW! That's a creative thinker, there! I bet rat poison and a hatchet would go a long way and be a whole lot cheaper than guns and ammo! Eghads! LOL!

This weekend I caught the tail end of Joel Osteen which made me think about these people on tv. His message was that it isn't so much that God helps those that help themselves as it is that God helps those who reach out and help others. He said, in effect, if you are using your resources to help others in need, you can rest assured that God will ensure that the needs of you and your family are met, along with plenty to continue giving away. I truly do believe that - experience tells me that God is bigger than anything that comes our way. If we truly want to survive, it's going to take a heck of a lot more than bunkers, weapons and canned goods. I, for one, truly believe that in a doomsday scenario, we're going to definitely need to rely on and trust in Him, whether we believe - or like it - or not. :)

I had posted in the Farm Kitchen strain, but do any of you know whether those juice bottles (#1 pete) can be used for storing dry goods? I know you can't use them to store water or for juice or kool aid or any other type of beverage, but I think if they're food safe they would be so great for the abundance of rice, flour, etc. we buy in bulk. We'd use soda bottles, but we just don't buy or drink a lot of pop. We do, however, purchase Ocean Spray cranberry juice, and the jugs are just so nice - it would be great if we could recycle them in that way!

Hugs -

Nini

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rksmith
True Blue Farmgirl

782 Posts

Rachel
Clayton GA
USA
782 Posts

Posted - Mar 27 2012 :  3:07:07 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
We reuse them for making ice. I would think that if you are concerned about plastics leaching toxins into your food or BPA then it probably wouldn't be good for storing dry goods, but if that isn't a concern then I don't see why not. I actually hadn't thought about using them for dry goods. If we buy some I'll have to keep that in mind. Thanks for the idea. Why can't you use them to store other liquids?

Rachel
Farmgirl Sister #2753

True enlightenment is nothing but the nature of one's own self being fully realised-- His Holiness the Dali Lama

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Ninibini
True Blue Farmgirl

5562 Posts

Nini
Pennsylvania
USA
5562 Posts

Posted - Mar 27 2012 :  3:23:49 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks, Rachel! From what I've read, with this particular level of pete plastics, it's impossible to remove all the sugars and bacteria once they're empty - even if you use a bleach mix. I had been using them to reconstitute frozen orange juice for a long time, never knowing how harmful that could be (not that OJ lasts very long in this house! LOL!). Here's a link to Fema's .pdf concerning approved food and water storage that explains it much better: http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/f&web.pdf The only thing is, on every site I've looked I only see reference to these containers being bad for liquid storage... I would LOVE to know they are safe for dry goods. They're so sturdy, they've got handles... I love them. I suppose worst case scenario we can use them for things like rock salt, fertilizer and laundry soap - maybe? I don't know if they would chemically react with the plastic, though. I'll have to look into that a little bit more. Anyhow, this year's Farmer's Almanac listed the different grades of pete containers and their "safe" uses as well, but, again, they didn't really mention the whole leaching of toxins into dry goods. I guess what it boils down to is "better safe than sorry." Oh well... Maybe another farmgirl will be able to shed some light on this for us! :)

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levisgrammy
True Blue Farmgirl

4748 Posts

Denise
NJ
USA
4748 Posts

Posted - Mar 27 2012 :  5:16:21 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
We do store water and such things as we would need if the power goes out for an extended length of time. I have to remember not to get caught up in such things as then I forget where I put my trust. Not in myself or others but in the Lord. We should prepare but I believe it is foolish to go overboard.

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Or a trouble is what you make it!
And it isn't the fact that you're hurt that counts,
But only--how did you take it?

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rksmith
True Blue Farmgirl

782 Posts

Rachel
Clayton GA
USA
782 Posts

Posted - Mar 28 2012 :  3:17:42 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Wow. Thanks for that info, I did not know that!

Rachel
Farmgirl Sister #2753

True enlightenment is nothing but the nature of one's own self being fully realised-- His Holiness the Dali Lama

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Fiddlehead Farm
True Blue Farmgirl

4463 Posts

Diane
Bandera TX
USA
4463 Posts

Posted - Mar 28 2012 :  6:04:26 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Did anyone see last nights Doomsday Prepper show? The old guy (mad scientist), who has been building the underground bunker big enough for 500 people. It is a bunch of old school buses buried underground and linked together. He has been doing this since the 80's! He plans on saving 500 children and then repopulate the earth after the nuclear war. He even has "go away" kits to give to the children's parents. In other words, leave your children but you have to go away! I know he thinks he is really helping mankind, but all I can think is what a waste of his life. If all you do for 30 years is plan for the end of civilization, it must be a very sad life.
I get so torn because my DH is such a doom and gloom thinker. I just can't live like that. I just want to be more self sufficient and learn as many old skills as I can. I really enjoy the fruits of my labors so much more than the spoils of my consumerism. I just can't live every day planning for the end of days. We have some food, equipment, guns and ammo, seeds and other necessities stored but I do it more for the self sufficient reason than the doomsday one.

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I get up every morning determined to both change the world and have one hell of a good time. Sometimes this makes planning my day difficult.
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Ninibini
True Blue Farmgirl

5562 Posts

Nini
Pennsylvania
USA
5562 Posts

Posted - Mar 28 2012 :  9:00:17 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yep! I just watched it tonight, Diane... Pretty shocking. All I could think of was that Star Trek episode where they came upon a planet filled with children. It was so sad.

If I was a parent during that time, and he asked me to leave my little ones behind, I'd be pretty torn. I mean, of course I would want my child to live. But not to know anything about this person, and to simply let go and trust my children to his care for the rest of their lives... I don't know if I could do it! I mean, who says he is responsible and wise and loving and SAFE enough to parent all those little ones? And what if he dies? Then what? I think I'd take my chances with my kid(s) and keep them with me, because their fate with this stranger could be far worse than anyone could imagine - you know what I mean?

I do have to admit, though, when thinking about the name of his compound - ARK TWO - I was very convicted about scoffing about some of this. I mean, in Noah's day, people scoffed, too. But the difference is that in Noah's time, those other people had no faith whatsoever. I do. Not just in God, but in people. I just really trust God, and I'd be willing to trust Him in the midst of all of that, too. I will continue to buy in bulk and try to "get ahead" a little bit by preparing for the unexpected, and I am buying seeds because I want to avoid as much of the GMO's as I can, but I just can't bring myself to bunker down with prepare for the end. It's kind of an oxymoron, though, don't you think? If you call it "the end of the world," that means it's really going to really be the end. What's the point in preparing like that?

Don't be upset with your husband, though. I mean, he loves you, he loves your family, he loves life... His love runs very deep to be thinking ahead like that to prepare for your family in the event of adversity. I think it's extremely commendable, to be honest. He wants to do everything he can to take care of his family. What a wonderful world this would truly be if all men cared so much! You're a lucky girl to be so very loved, indeed! You just have to figure out how to help him enjoy his life, too, and appreciate the good things that he might be missing, that's all. :)

I'm like you - I can't dwell on "the end." What will be will be! I like the idea of becoming more self-sufficient, to be sure! A lot of these t.v. preppers have come up with exciting alternatives to daily necessities like fuel, power, processing and storing foods, medicines, bartering, etc. (I never knew that about fish antibiotics! But I would hesitate to mess around with it - I think you'd have to be extremely knowledgeable before messing with stuff like that - including herbal medicines, which I am ALL for! I would LOVE to learn all about that!) Needless to say, I come away from each program with exciting ideas and new food for thought. And I'm with you - I think the self-sufficiency aspect is so, so important. You are spot on about the spoils of consumerism! I think it has the potential to leave us extremely weak and vulnerable. In all seriousness, though, where we live, there's only so much we can prepare for. I guess maybe that's why I see this so differently - I'm simply DOOMED! LOL! Seriously, though, I just can't ever see myself telling another person they can't share in our abundance when I know they are starving. I couldn't live with myself, you know? I think that alone would literally drive me insane! I'd just have to give it to them and put my faith in trust in the Lord to provide. I figure, we'll do the best we can do and give the rest to God. His will be done. If he wants us to have an "ark" of sorts, I'm sure He'll tell us directly - just like He told Noah.

The thing is, we weren't made to live forever. Eternal life begins after these bodies perish. I'm not in a rush to get there, but I am looking forward to it! At the very least, the program is serving as an excellent conversation starter, to be sure. I just feel that despite their efforts, hard core preppers cannot truly adequately prepare for the adversity and challenges that will come. They seem to be missing the joy of living - the point of this gift of life we have received. Just as much as we learn from them, as a family, we are also finding some serious flaws to their thinking. I wish them all well, of COURSE! But I tend to believe that in a doomsday situation, they will not survive nearly as long as they hope. I'm afraid that it's going to be more like you said - they will look back on all the years - all the time, money and energy - spent on all of this and find out it was for naught. Imagine what that would be like to one day realize they could've been REALLY living in the "good times," and they missed out on all of it. You can't get that back. Once it's gone, it's gone. Just think of all the people who have gone through life scrimping and saving, never enjoying a penny of their earnings, only to be hit by bus and suddenly lose their lives...SO sad. It's kind of like that with the extremists we see on tv. Balance really is the key, I think. Love a lot, pray a lot, prepare wisely, and always remember to dance in the rain, find joy in the presence of loved ones, speak words of love and encouragement, treat yourself every now and then to a special little something, and take time every day to smell the roses! Basically, we should celebrate every day as if it was our last!

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Edited by - Ninibini on Mar 28 2012 9:28:51 PM
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Well I have always, even as a child, been a worse case scenario planner. The idea has always been if I am ready for the worst, anything else that happens will be a piece of cake. I have always canned, cooked from scratch, gardened and sewed. Over the last 15 years I have been learning to use more tools, dehydratng fruits, and researching all types of self-sufficient skills. As the years go on, I have become less dependent on the outside world, and am proud of it. I just finished building a root cellar, and am currently building a greenhouse out of construction waste. This mindset has allowed me to feed a family of 5 ( 4 are adults)on less $300 dollars a month. Due to regular long power outages, we have a stockpile of water and purifying kits and lamp oils. We have gone 2 weeks with no power, heat or running water in New England in winter and we were comfortable, well feed, and warm. I see prepping as a safety net.

On the thought of cost, I have done it slowly over the years, collecting stuff as I go. Every spring I pick up canning supplies for free off of Craigslist and freecycle, same with building supplies and shelving. I watch yard sales for oil lamps and oil lamp parts, and used camping gear. I always check clearance bins at stores for off season deals.

My best advice is to create a list of what you need and carry it with you. Being prepared to live for 6 months without income or power is were I like to be. A sudden loss of income, a spouse, or other emergency will be easier with the less you need to worry about.


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