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| LakeOntarioFarmgirl |
Posted - Jul 29 2010 : 04:12:46 AM
8/4- Yesterday these same 2 dogs attacked a poor elderly Basset Hound that her elderly owner was walking. This was in front of their(the Rottweilers) house. They were not tied up and ran right out to attack the dog. I don't know if the dog survived or not, but I will be going to visit this poor woman this morning. She also hurt her shoulder in the attack.
They never installed their electric tower. As a matter of fact, it is still in the box. They have been seen roaming the neighborhood in the days since they were up here.
They have a court date on Monday the 9th, but the animal control guy says I will not be allowed to go in and speak at that time, this is for yesterdays attack.
The ac lied to me when he told me that the owners had their electric tower up and the dogs contained in the yard. He was actually at their house, then came here to tell me that.
Yesterday morning, he called and left a message that the dogs would be given away by their owners by today at the latest. And to tell me when their court date was. Never said a word about the attack yesterday. It was a neighbor who told me that.
I have a call in to the attorney to find out if the judge is going to know the entire situation before the court date, and if not, if I can write him a letter before then.
This whole situation just makes me sick to my stomach, and believe me, if the ac is liable for any of this I will make sure he loses his job.
I just wanted to update you all, as of right now, my chickens are on lockdown until I either know the dogs are definitely gone, or husband is home with his gun handy.
I really, really appreciate everyone's thoughts and kindness here, it is so nice to have farmgirl sisters who understand. With everything else going on with me right now, it gives me a nice warm feeling to know that you girls are here. Thank you for that. :)
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As most of you know, my daughters pet rabbit was killed by the 2 Rottweilers down the street last week. The same day they attacked another dog in the area, and just generally wreaked havoc over a morning's time.
In that time, the animal control officer has been to our house nearly every day to give me a progress report on what is happening with these dogs. When I first called him the day after the problems, and asked him what I had to do to get rid of these dogs, he said there was no law to protect us, then told hubby we would have to wait to see if the dogs ever came back to hurt/kill us, our family, our dogs, our 13 puppies, or our chickens before anything could be done. When hubby called our attorney he told us the real laws about dangerous dogs. The ac officer did not know these laws.The ac officer was supposed to take the dogs away the day everything happened, they were supposed to be evaluated, then a judge decide what to do about them.
So, despite hubby telling the owners that if they voluntarily gave up the dogs to a rescue group, we would not pursue the dangerous dog route they decided to put up an electric tower- works like an electric fence. The ac guy told me that he inspected it and it was working. I have repeatedly told him that I not comfortable with that, because over the years I have known dogs who were willing to feel the zap from those if they wanted something on the other side.
Yesterday, he came back to my house and said that they had agreed to give up the female. She was the one who would escape, then the male would escape too and follow her. They said she was the problem, even though they, and me, have no idea which one it was to kill our rabbit and attack that other dog. Again, I told the ac officer that I was not comfortable with having even one of the dogs there.
The attorney said that ultimately we would have to make the decision to have the remaining dog classified as dangerous and taken away from these people. The ac guy said to me "I was just down at their house, the dogs were out, they're not dangerous, they were licking my hands and wagging their tails." He was looking at me like I'm the inhumane one here! I felt like asking him if they were paying him something to work with them! 
The owners father actually told my husband the day of the attack that he knew they were out loose, but that he was scared of them, and that's why he wouldn't go after them. Hubby will swear to that in court if it gets to that point. We also have had neighbors say they want the dogs gone, they are nuisances, and a few who have said they have never had a problem with them.
So now, I have to decide what to do. I feel like no matter which decision I make, it could ultimately be the wrong one. What if that dog really is not a trouble maker, it was all the female, and a judge orders it euthanised? I have to live with that. But, even worse, what if I say okay, he can stay, and somewhere down the road, he injures, disfigures, or kills one of my grandchildren? That is an even worse thing to think about obviously.
My daughter says to get that other dog out, because her kids will have to be supervised whenever are they are here and outside. I will never be able to totally feel comfortable and safe outside alone again, knowing that they are out there.
What do you all think? Is this a good compromise, or am I right to push for both dogs leaving?
Brenda
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| Faransgirl |
Posted - Aug 28 2010 : 1:50:35 PM
Here if dogs injure another dog or Human then they are locked up and evaluated. Our little border collie got out once and ended up in a corner of a fence and house. She was just there and the owner grabbed a hammer and went after her. She was just trying to get out of the corner and get away from him. But when he tried to hit her with the hammer she nipped at his leg and ran for it. I saw the whole thing. But, she still had to spend 9 days in the county lock-up and be evaluated. The conditions in there were so bad she nearly died of pneumonia when we got her out. However, that AC officer needs to be fired and the dog owners need to be sued. After the first attack there should not have been another one and he is negligent in his duties because he didn't handle the situation correctly. Also, here there is a fine of $350. if your dog causes any problems more then once. And they have to be tatood if they have been in the county lock-up so future owners will know they have been in trouble.
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| Beverley |
Posted - Aug 27 2010 : 9:44:47 PM
well don't feel bad at all. it is not your fault these dogs need to be put down it is the owners fault. do not take that responsibility on yourself. put it back where it belongs.... the dog owner needs to be held accountable not you!!!
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| smiley |
Posted - Aug 04 2010 : 4:40:09 PM
I agree the dogs need to go. My parents lost all but one of their sows and the piglets to a pack of dogs. It was a lot of money they lost but my mom was heart broken. She could go out at feeding time and hollar and those sows came running. They were her pets. Dogs with the pack mentality are trouble and where I am from they get shot. Not because we are dog haters but a farmers stock are his lively hood and his childrens safety is also on the line many times. |
| kristin sherrill |
Posted - Aug 04 2010 : 4:14:38 PM
Brenda, were the police involved at all? I can't remember. But they should be. If 911 is called they should be involved and better able to do something. This is getting worse every day. And now they are giving the dogs away? I don't see how they can do that. They should be restrained. And at the dog pound. These are definetely now responsible people at all. They should be liable for everything that's happened the past few weeks.
If I were you, I would write the judge and tell him about everything that's happened. And get a petition going around the neighborhood. Or the town for that matter. And have stupid AC guy FIRED! He has no business doing what he's doing. He's not protecting people like he's supposed to be doing. He's protecting the dogs. And the stupid owners. I wonder how much he's getting paid to protect them? If that happened to me they'd put me under the jail and kill my dog. Just like that. No questions asked. This is crazy. And getting crazier.
I am so sorry you have to go through this when there are supposed to be people to help you. This is not right at all. Maybe call the newspaper to come do a story. That might get some people off their good for nothing a***s! Good grief, this is making me mad!
Kris
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| 1badmamawolf |
Posted - Aug 04 2010 : 2:38:46 PM
Where I live, if an animal/dog attacks someone, or a human is injured during an animal on animal attack, the dogs are usually shot by the Sheriffs dept before Animal Reg even gets there, and if not the dogs are impounded immediatly, til the courts deceide their fate. If these dogs were given away, I wonder if the new owners know the dogs history and if they do, that makes me think they are probally not on the up and up...
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| CountryBorn |
Posted - Aug 04 2010 : 2:29:33 PM
This situation is just unreal. I can't believe that those dogs weren't impounded the day that happened at your home. They truly are a menace and no one would have any peace with them around. Now this poor woman has at the least had herself hurt and her dog or at worst they killed her dog. This is not right! The animal control officer did a horrible job of handling this. I would file an official complaint for his removal. I also would do as you say make very sure the judge is totally aware of the whole story. I am a animal lover to a fault, but these dogs should be destroyed, for everyones safety.
MJ
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| Alee |
Posted - Aug 04 2010 : 08:03:38 AM
Oh No! Given away? That is not good. I wonder if the people they are "giving them away" to know of the problem... I used to volunteer at a no-kill shelter and I usually really advocate giving dogs a second chance- but I fear for everyone involved in this. I hope the judge orders the dogs PTS for everyone's safety.
Alee
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| PattiSutton |
Posted - Jul 31 2010 : 09:18:37 AM
I agree that the dogs need to go.
As a child, I was mauled by my aunt's dog. Yet, she didn't get rid of it, even when my father told her to. The relationship was never the same again.
To this day, I get nervous. Even when my daughter plays with her grandparents' little terriers and one kinda looks like he'll nip.
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| Annab |
Posted - Jul 31 2010 : 03:37:19 AM
Kathryn,
I'd be interested to know if those people ever inquired after their dog disappeared?
Something similar happend to our chickes too, and it only took 2 times and that dog went by-by. Come to find out, he belonged to the good-'ole-boys up the road from us. Odd how they didn't get upset. I don't think they really wanted it around anyway. But really, if a dog is well taken care of, the owner will be doing everying in his/her power to get the dog under control, and will take mesures to correct the problem! Any dog that is out roaming and marauding and murdering chickens is NOT well cared for and looked after in the first place.
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| melody |
Posted - Jul 30 2010 : 4:50:00 PM
I agree with the girls...Don't wait for something horrible to happen and chances are very good that it will.
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| prariehawk |
Posted - Jul 30 2010 : 3:04:58 PM
Just something for you to think about--a number of years ago, there was a young boy who was killed by a pack of dogs running loose in a major city. Dogs with a "pack mentality" don't behave like normal dogs. A young child running or screaming can set them off. The owner of these dogs deserves to be punished, but it's the dogs who will pay the price. sad, but true.
Cindy
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| magnoliakathy |
Posted - Jul 30 2010 : 08:26:40 AM
Have the dogs removed and put down. This is not the dog's fault but bad owners, and yes, it is hard that the dogs have to pay the penalty. But do you want to be the person mourning a lost or hurt child when they get out and misbehave again?
Several years ago, one of our neighbors had a beautiful Irish setter that would come down to my house about 3 acres away, dig into my pens and kill my chickens and ducks. I actually took it out of the pen once, and saw it leaving the pen area the other two times, with one of my birds in its mouth. I took that dog home 3 times and talked to an adult at that house twice, animal control is no help out here in the county. I then talked to a county sheriff and he said, since the dog had killed livestock, practice the Ss, shoot, shovel, and shut up, if the owners will not cooperate. Finally it was shot and buried. Problem solved. It was hard, I felt bad for the dog, but I was tired of burying my birds and replacing them.
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| Ingrid |
Posted - Jul 30 2010 : 07:52:54 AM
I agree with all the comments. If a dog is on their own property and is protecting it and they are agressive when the owners are away they are doing their job. However, if they are roaming and are agressive they are dangerous. Pursue this matter or someone will be seriously hurt. I wish you the best of luck.
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| Annab |
Posted - Jul 30 2010 : 03:35:54 AM
I agree w/ Angie,
the pack mentality takes over and sometimes all training goes out the window.
Also, when prey drive kicks in such as killing rabbits, cats, chickens or harming small children it all falls under this prey drive. And honestly unless a dog has undeergone some pretty hefty obedience and training, it's hard to handle.
And yes, a dog can be sweet as everything one moment, but can also be a snarling beast the next. These are animals that still have certin instincts left...and it takes skill and training by both human and animal to truly understand stuff like this sometimes.
All dogs can potentially be dangerous. Too bad it's the owners ignorance causing this situation.
Do you know if either dog is spayed/neutered? Sometimes if a dog is "fixed" it will curb these tendencies to want to get out and roam. It applies to female and male dogs.
I have had chickes killed and left for dead, I do believe some states have laws to protect livestock. Do the dogs have collars on at all times? On our land, if a dog has no collar, is super skinny and is tearing into our coops in a mad hunger, it gets a bullet.
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| amomfly |
Posted - Jul 30 2010 : 01:52:04 AM
I own Rotties. I love them. But I have raised them to be good,obedient and trustworthy. I know if you do not, they can be problems.
I think two things are happening here.
1. They are in a "pack" mantality [sp]. Even dogs can achieve this, and if they were continuly allowed to run loose these dogs considered your whole neighborhood their territory.
2.dumb owners, these people do not understand a pack, Rotts or ven dog behavior. Ofcourse it was the female leaving first. She is probably the leader. But getting rid of her will probably not change anything.
If you, your family,friends or neighbors are outside and show fear, this dog will go for you.
Animal Control.... in my experience is alot of times not educated. They do not know laws,or animal behavior.
The solution.... They both need put down. For all means and purposes they are a wild pack now. That can not change with just removing one, or a little training. For everyday people, not trained professionals, these dogs will always be too much. I feel for you and your family and your neighborhood. But I also feel for these dogs, they had no chance with ill informed owners.
Good luck and keep us informed. I will pray for resolution.
God Bless
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| kristin sherrill |
Posted - Jul 29 2010 : 11:03:36 AM
And that stupid AC guy needs to be fired! Why have they not done anything yet?? Good grief! Is it going to take someone getting seriously hurt or killed before anything can be done? We have guns for this, ya know? If we can't protect our property and lives, what's the point? And why do we have Animal Control? What are they doing about this? That is crazy, Brenda. It's not your fault. Something needs to be done soon. Do not feel bad about this. Why doesn't anyone else do something too?
Kris
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| 1badmamawolf |
Posted - Jul 29 2010 : 10:04:32 AM
Are the dogs spayed and neutered? If not, that right there can be a big part of the problem. But, once dogs are used to running, it is very hard to stop them, and a little sting from an electric fence will not stop them if they deceide to go after something or someone. If they are not removed, I would keep a gun ready, and if they show up on your property again, PUT THEM DOWN, no ifs, ands or buts!!!
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| natesgirl |
Posted - Jul 29 2010 : 08:28:07 AM
I would have them both removed. I am super protective when it comes to that. I have friends who were mauled by a dog as children and it effects them for the rest of their lives. I love animals and will take in any stray that comes along, but if they get mean, they're gone! It's a hard thing to deal with, but my conscience won't let me live with the other outcome.
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| pnickols |
Posted - Jul 29 2010 : 08:09:28 AM
I think yo should pursue some course of action to have the dogs evaluated if only for your peace of mind. If you feel that your family is not safe in your own yard that isn't right. And I agree that once a dog begins biting or killing animals it's a very good possibility it will happen again |
| Alee |
Posted - Jul 29 2010 : 07:04:28 AM
Excatly Lillian! I totally agree- I can't imagine having those dogs on my block! Brenda- you shouldn't feel any guilt for the final outcome of a system that is supposed to protect everyone from dangerous animals. My concern is that the Animal Control officer is not getting an accurate image of these dogs because he is only seeing them when they are with their owners (acting friendly). I hope your county does independent appraisals?
If it were me I would have both of the dogs classified as dangerous because they have proven they act like a pack when when they are out and actively hunt.
Alee
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| Ms.Lilly |
Posted - Jul 29 2010 : 06:45:51 AM
Brenda-I am on the other side of the fence. I once had a rottie that was a rescue, she actually was a wonderful dog. Her fault she didn't like other dogs. One day I looked out my window and she had somehow gotten out of the fenced yard and was attacking the neighbors dog (the neighbors dog was fine). The very next day I took her in and had her put down, why? Because this is a behavior that will not change. Wether it be dogs, rabbits, cats once they start this it does not stop. Have those dogs removed you would feel worse if the next victim was an innocent child. If they do not remove them, shoot them the next time they are on your property. You have the right to protect yourself.
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| Karrieann |
Posted - Jul 29 2010 : 06:03:22 AM
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| Alee |
Posted - Jul 29 2010 : 05:42:32 AM
That's a really tough decision. Honestly if I was in your position with an animal that had already gotten killed, the threat you feel when you are out walking and the risk of your family being injured- I would definitely have them confinscate the female and have her evaluated and file a complaint about the male as well. The thing here is that they don't just grab the dogs then euthanize them. They do have to do some sort of evaluation. I would also ask the attorney who would be doing the evaluation because the AC officer is obviously not impartial any more. I also would like to note that a lot of protective/agressive dogs will act nice if their owner is there if the owner is acting nice and the dog considers their owner their alpha. I have personally known several dogs that I could pet and play with as long as the owner was home- but if the owner wasn't home- forget it.
I think that your concerns are valid. And they are important because they are causing you stress. If those people had really cared about their dogs- when they first were told they were being a problem they would have found a way to contain them behind a solid fence/ heavy chain turn outs or something. I agree those invisible fence things are good for well trained dogs- but everything I have ever heard is that if there is a possibility that the dog might start chasing something (bird, child, car etc) then they are not good options because once they charge through the shock the shock then KEEPS them out!
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