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Across the Fence:  Do you believe in ghosts?  |
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sweetproserpina
True Blue Farmgirl
535 Posts
meg
Vinemount
Ontario
Canada
535 Posts |
 Posted - Mar 01 2007 : 5:35:15 PM
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I am of the same mind as Jennifer. I am all about science, not a religious person whatsoever. However, when you have lived and worked in enough old places like I have there are too many stories to ignore, and too many strange feelings people get in certain places. At one old place I worked at there was a room no one liked to go into, in fact one co-worker would become physically ill if she went in. I've had visitors report seeing a little boy in period costume when no kids have been there that day, a co-worker went to tell a lady in white looking at the flower garden that the buildings were closed only to have her disappear in front of him.. Too many stories from people that have no reason to make things up..
W network in canada carries a great british show called Most Haunted, but don't watch it in the dark when you're all by yourself!
"Isn't it splendid to think of all the things there are to find out about? It just makes me feel glad to be alive--it's such an interesting world."
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Aunt George
True Blue Farmgirl
1476 Posts
Georgann
Midlothian
VA
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Utahfarmgirl
True Blue Farmgirl
1940 Posts
Portland
Oregon
USA
1940 Posts |
Posted - Mar 02 2007 : 11:29:18 AM
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As a medium and a Methodist minister, I'd just like to say that we shouldn't get all caught up in semantics and what is "good" or "evil". We are energy and energy never dies. It only changes. (basic fact of physics) I've seen and met plenty of angels and "exorcised" a few demons. I don't believe in Satan but I do believe in man-made evil and that evil continues when someone evil dies until they change things. Some folks are so unhappy that they want to make everyone else unhappy, too. Just remember this: the only ones who keep Satan alive are those who believe in him. There are only two ways to react to any given situation: one is through love and one is through fear. We manifest what we give our energy to.
farmgirl hug,
Patricia
Farmgirls do it organically! |
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Aunt George
True Blue Farmgirl
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Georgann
Midlothian
VA
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Utahfarmgirl
True Blue Farmgirl
1940 Posts
Portland
Oregon
USA
1940 Posts |
Posted - Mar 02 2007 : 1:06:51 PM
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What wonderful experiences everyone is having! Dreams are the easiest way for spirit to reach us because we are already in an altered state. So when you have dreams where you and a loved one are having a conversation and you could swear that it really happened, take heart. It probably did. "Bad" dreams are usually your mind's way of taking out the garbage that has accomulated and not to be taken seriously.
It is very hard for spirit to reach us because of the density of the vibration of this reality so when they do, it ususally means something important to them. Also, with psychic things, the harder you try, the farther away it gets. That's why you might see something out of the corner of your eye and then when you turn to look, it's gone.
Not all spirits are "ghosts" but all "ghosts" are spirit. Generally spreaking, we refer to ghosts as confused spirits. Eventually, all are reconciled with the great reality which is God. A lot of it has to do with one's belief system. If you believe you are wicked and should be punished, you'll find yourself in "Hell" where you'll stay until you realize it's your own fantasy.
God is good. God cannot create anything that is not of itself. Man creates its own hell through its own actions. I teach the Bible from the original Aramaic and Hebrew scriptures and have discerned many errors from the way things were meant through translation, idioms taken literally, or a misunderstanding of Eastern culture and beliefs. One of the biggest is the idea of Heaven and Hell. When Jesus said if you (I'm paraphrasing) hurt someone you will suffer hell fire, he was using an Aramaic idiom that meant "mental torment". If you hurt someone, you will suffer mental torment. Isn't that true? He knew the Father would never submit His children to eternal fire and misery, no matter how bad they were. We wouldn't do that to our own children. Why believe Almighty God would do it? Makes no sense.
Anyway, off my soap box. Just remember that there is a universal law that says "like attracts like" and that means that what we give our energy to, we manifest. It's why Paul said that (paraphrasing again) those who believe in evil will see it everywhere, and those who believe in the good will see it everywhere."
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Persephone
True Blue Farmgirl
172 Posts
Katrina
Indiana
USA
172 Posts |
Posted - Mar 02 2007 : 1:29:11 PM
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| On another board I used to post on, a woman told about a visit from a deceased friend of hers. She asked her if she was in Heaven, and her friend said yes, but that the whole Heaven and Hell thing is way more complicated than they were taught in Sunday School. Others chimed in and said that of their experiences and what they've heard from others, that visitors in dreams who are asked the same question say that- it's more complicated than it seems. So, I truly believe that the Heaven/Hell thing is more complicated than we can understand. But that doesn't mean one or the other doesn't exist, and it doesn't change my beliefs or my actions in regards to them- it just means the universe/God is bigger than I can comprehend- I can deal with that. :) |
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Rosemary
True Blue Farmgirl
1825 Posts
Virginia
USA
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Posted - Mar 02 2007 : 1:31:51 PM
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| I think some "ghosts" can be a projection of our own thoughts, allowed to express for us the things we might fear saying out loud ourselves. |
Edited by - Rosemary on Mar 02 2007 2:22:16 PM |
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Patsy
True Blue Farmgirl
592 Posts
Illinois
USA
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Posted - Mar 02 2007 : 3:51:47 PM
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Do I believe? You bet, I have seen them for myself, felt them sit on my bed, and even had a vist from a cousin's deceased dog. All totally unexpected. Not scarey, just there. I have seen my deceased father and saw myself in heaven walking behind Jesus. Nope. I was not asleep. I was wide awake and sitting in the rocking chair. It was during a very traumatic time for me and the "visions" or whatever you want to call them, engulfed me in peace.
I was with my mother when she died. I had ahold of her hand and had my other hand on her arm and I felt her spirit leave her body. I did not see it but I definitely felt it.
So I have no doubts there is a spirit, and wouldn't it be a blessing if they all went to be with God. I don't think that always happens. And I think spirits to come to visit with us for a reason. We just need to pay attention.
Blessed are those who love the soil,
Patsy
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blueroses
True Blue Farmgirl
1323 Posts
Debbie
in the Pandhandle of
Idaho
USA
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Posted - Mar 02 2007 : 4:00:51 PM
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I believe. And Patricia, the thoughts about being in a dream is so true. My grandmother comes to me in my dreams from time to time to let me know that she's watching over me. I know this is true.
"You cannot find peace...by avoiding life."
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Aunt George
True Blue Farmgirl
1476 Posts
Georgann
Midlothian
VA
1476 Posts |
Posted - Mar 02 2007 : 4:07:28 PM
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Patricia you said>>> "It's why Paul said that (paraphrasing again) those who believe in evil will see it everywhere, and those who believe in the good will see it everywhere."
Very profound statement. Try to see the good in everyone and in most situations. Try not to repay evil with evil. Rather repay evil with good...not whimpy, but with kindness and understanding.
Oh, and Patricia, Don't I owe you an apron pattern. My life kind of spun way out of control when I was working full-time and I know I owe someone an apron pattern...was it you?
http://auntgeorgeshouse.blogspot.com/index.html
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laluna
True Blue Farmgirl
295 Posts
New York
USA
295 Posts |
Posted - Mar 02 2007 : 5:30:43 PM
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Great topic!
@Patricia - thank you for your post - so well-stated!
As for me? I believe in the possibility of something there beyond our comprehension, be they ghosts, spirits, what have you. I can't say that I've had any concrete experiences myself to speak of, but odd things happen occasionally, and I sometimes dream about certain relatives who've passed on, but not in the usual "dream" way, if that makes sense. :-) |
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jo Thompson
True Blue Farmgirl
603 Posts
Jo
the mountainside of the Chugach
in Alaska
USA
603 Posts |
Posted - Mar 02 2007 : 5:50:15 PM
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This is an interesting one, I haven't told this story in a long time but it is true......... My mother passed away in 1979 around christmas time. I was expecting my son, only a few weeks pregnant at the time. He was born that August and I grieved for my mother in a terrible way. it is very, very hard to lose your mother as you are becoming one yourself.
My ex husband had a wonderful younger sister, lovely, blonde, kind, so very beautiful. I dreamt my mother came to me, told me she was going to die the next day in a car accident, I SMELLED my mother in my dream....... I woke my husband up, even called my mother in law the next day out of worry..... She died at 3 pm in Springfield Missouri in a car accident that day. I swear to you this story is true.
So do I believe in ghosts? my life is science and the earth, I am not a religious person in any particular way. But I believe in very powerful presences in the world, and it made me a much more spiritual person. I had terrible amounts of guilt after this. If I had not told people of it before it happened, I would have thought that I probably imagined it. I've never dreamed something again like this, but sometimes I walk into a room in the emergency department and I smell death before the diagnosis is made. We have intuitions beyond our imagination that we do not pay attention to. I am not sure where or what this dream was, but in my heart I believe my mother came to me that night.
jo
"life is drab without a lab"
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laluna
True Blue Farmgirl
295 Posts
New York
USA
295 Posts |
Posted - Mar 02 2007 : 6:03:06 PM
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Oh Jo, what a powerful story - thank you for sharing it!
When I was teaching ESL, my Bosnian students told me about a belief that many of them hold relating to the idea of birth and death, which is that when a baby is born into a family, it can often be the "re-incarnation" of a family member who had passed on - but that was only true in instances of shared dates, etc. (e.g. if a woman's father died on the same date that her child was born, etc.). In fact, in my own family, my sister's son was born on my late-grandfather's birthday. Now I'm not particularly religious or superstitious, but I also don't think it was a coincidence. Could it be that it just brings me some peace or comfort to believe that, since I so loved my grandfather? Perhaps, in which case, why not believe? ;-) |
Edited by - laluna on Mar 02 2007 6:04:03 PM |
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jo Thompson
True Blue Farmgirl
603 Posts
Jo
the mountainside of the Chugach
in Alaska
USA
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jo Thompson
True Blue Farmgirl
603 Posts
Jo
the mountainside of the Chugach
in Alaska
USA
603 Posts |
Posted - Mar 02 2007 : 6:12:11 PM
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Laluna, that reminds me of a time when I cared for a woman who died from a stroke with her daughters at her side, I attended the birth of a child that evening. (I worked in a tiny rural hospital where there were only three nurses on staff!) Anyway, it was rather magical watching that child take it's first stuttering breath. I think that was the first time I saw the similarities of birth and death, it was so remarkable. Color leaving and color coming to life, we live a cycle of life. jo
"life is drab without a lab"
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Utahfarmgirl
True Blue Farmgirl
1940 Posts
Portland
Oregon
USA
1940 Posts |
Posted - Mar 02 2007 : 6:44:05 PM
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It is so thrilling to hear all these beautiful stories! And to hear how open-minded Farmgirls are. That's what we need in the world - there'd be no wars, especially in God's name. Thanks for sharing, everyone.
My husband is a scientist (theoretical physics) and when we met we were very surprised to find out that we both were saying the same thing, just from different perspectives. Isn't that grand? I'm excited that science is getting to prove what we spiritual people have always known! Stuie and I do a lecture together on things like the nature of God, the big bang, and so on - from his perspective and from mine.
For example, they have now proven that there are 11 realities - 10 of space and one of time. We exist in more than one place at a time. I've been teaching that for years. It explains deja vu, for one thing.
Georgann, nope, not me, but thanks for thinking of me!
farmgirl hug,
Patricia
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RachelLeigh
True Blue Farmgirl
635 Posts
Rachel
Rainier
WA
USA
635 Posts |
Posted - Mar 02 2007 : 6:53:47 PM
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| I have had many experiences and am a definite believer. I grew up in a house where many exeplainable things happened and it continued after I moved out. Right before my husband and I got married, I woke up to find a man standing by my bed surrounded by a green glow. I wasn't scared because I instantly knew it was my future father-in-law, who died in 1980 (25 years prior.) The next day I described him and what he was wearing to my husband which freaked him out because what I described was his father's work uniform. Turns out, my mother-in-law has seen him in the same clothing at her house! Needless to say, I'm a believer. |
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Luzy
True Blue Farmgirl
922 Posts
Luanne
Pueblo
Colorado
USA
922 Posts |
Posted - Mar 03 2007 : 12:16:42 PM
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I have a strange story.....Many years ago my DH and DS and I stayed at the Starr Hotel in Truckee, Ca. It's an old hotel from the gold rush era, I believe. When we got to our room, my DH took his key ring and hung it on a hook on the door. Those keys swung hanging there for hours. I came down with the worst headache I've ever had in my life in that room. We slept with the lights on cause I was so freaked out. We were there for an air show so there were no other rooms available. We stayed and toughed it out. As we left, we asked the clerk if the hotel was haunted and she said they only tell people if they ask. She told us that there is a little girl that died in the basement and she's always playing tricks and other guests have seen her in the hall. A journalist did a story on the place and the clerk said that when he developed the film, the little girl was looking out from the upstairs window dressed in her period clothes. Spoooooky!!!!!
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Celticheart
True Blue Farmgirl
811 Posts
Marcia
WA
USA
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Posted - Mar 03 2007 : 12:36:33 PM
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I am also a believer for many reasons. There is so much about the spiritual realm that surrounds us that we do not understand and is very possibly beyond our limited comprehension. I am also a nurse that worked nights for many years and can tell you there are things that happen at night. It's a humbling experience to be able to be present both when people are born and when they die. Have you ever asked yourself why those two things happen so often at night or in the early morning hours?
That house where we lived for the past 30 years had at least two spirits that visited or lived there...I was never sure which. One was an older woman and one was a boy. I didn't ever see them personally but they would appear to two of my children. They kids didn't seem bothered by it much but would mention it from time to time. People who had lived there before us also mentioned seeing the same two.
An angel appeared to my grandpa a few months before he died. He described it as a bright light at the end of his bed and a being spoke to him. I don't remember the message but none of us ever doubted that it happened.
Probably the oddest thing that ever happened to me was this...and I believe I mentioned this about a year ago in another post.
I dreamed of my youngest child 20 years before he was born. I dreamed of a little boy about age 2 with dark brown hair and eyes standing in my mother's kitchen looking up at me. He asked me for a cookie. I remember telling my mom about it and we both laughed. Funny thing was I eventually had 3 kids who looked nothing like him at all and had completely forgotten about him. Twenty two years later and married to a different man we had a little boy. One day when he was 2 we were standing in my mother's kitchen and he looked up at me and and asked me for a cookie. It was most definitely him but I didn't recognize him until that very moment. I told my mom and she remembered the dream too.
"I suppose the pleasure of country life lies really in the eternally renewed evidence of the determination to live." Vita Sackville-West
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a rose
True Blue Farmgirl
443 Posts
Linda
Waterford
NY
USA
443 Posts |
Posted - Mar 03 2007 : 4:08:13 PM
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I am a believer of spirits and ghost good and bad. Many years ago I dreamed that my stepmother was screaming for my help. I thought I had awakened. I saw the drapes in my dining room ablaze. It was still a dream because I did wake up and everything was okay. Though I did have a creepy feeling about my stepmother. The next morning I got a call that my stepmother died in a house fire. She was all by herself. See why I believe!!
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verbina
True Blue Farmgirl
231 Posts
randi
n.j
USA
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Posted - Mar 03 2007 : 4:10:02 PM
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| OH YEA i do believe spirits ,ghosts those that have gone before us.why should death be the end/ thats just fits in my thinking. Besides my brother in law is driving me crazy since he crossed lol.as long as he behaves himself and not go OOOOOOOOOO or anything like that its cool.i have seen ,feltand heard things.i do have 10 house cats thou lol. really i do believe.theres more to this but i wont bore any of ya with details, randi |
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Rosenwalt
True Blue Farmgirl
77 Posts
Rose Marie
NY
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Posted - Mar 03 2007 : 4:21:47 PM
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I don't believe in ghosts, only apparitions.
Rose Marie,
Central New York
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Kim
True Blue Farmgirl
146 Posts
Kim
Pflugerville
Texas
USA
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JudyBlueEyes
True Blue Farmgirl
657 Posts
Judith
Spokane
Washington
USA
657 Posts |
Posted - Mar 03 2007 : 4:25:08 PM
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Well, I'm a believer. As in, I believe in spirits who come to visit us to help us or offer comfort. First thing I would say isn't really about a spirit, but telepathy. My first husband's nickname was Butch. After we divorced, I fell seriously in love with another man whose nickname was Butch. During the course of our dating, Butch2 went on vacation. He called me and we had a falling out. After I considered that I had been mistaken and was wrong, I wanted to tell him so _just then_ and not whenever he got home. So I started sending out message, Call me,Butch, Call me, Butch, Call me, Butch (this was WAY before cell phones...) Wierd thing was that very evening I got a call from my ex, Butch1, who had not called me since the divorce several months before and said that his mother said that I had called and wanted him to call me...now his mother, I am sure, had gifts...and I believe that she intercepted that message and passed it to him. So that's one thing. Something in the supernatural world...
Then. Dreams. My maternal grandmother died when I was about 5 years old and my sister was 3. I believe my "Busia" - she was Polish, had met me as a baby, but had not met my sister Joann. So, mind, she must have died in about 1956 - and in sometime in the 1980s, both Joann and I had a dream about her the same night. We have seen pictures of her, of course, and could identify her, and it was just funny...we were talking one day and I think I mentioned it first and then she looked at me weird and asked what night and I told her and she said she'd had a dream the same night. It was a benevolent visit from her to both of us, kind of with an "all is well" message.
The morning my mother died, my father called me about 5:30 am saying "something bad's wrong with your mama" and all I could recall was that when the phone woke me up, I was hearing a song, country song, that wasn't really "You were always on my mind" but something like that, and had a strong sense of my mother visiting me. Of course, in the craziness that ensued of waking my (then) husband and getting dressed and driving the 10 minutes (that seemed like 10 hours) to my parents' house, I have never been able to recall just what song it was...but I believe my mother was saying goodbye to me, bless her soul!
Lastly, Angels. My sister Joann was driving out with her husband to visit my dad when he was in the nursing home, and she was driving probably the speed limit (no faster) on the surface street, but she heard my mother say "Slow down, Joann!" and she thought it was strange, but she did (my mother has that kind of power over us, even in death), and if she hadn't, the car that drove through the stop sign at a cross street would have hit them....
So,yes, I believe, and I am what someone a while back last summer described as an Earthy Christian....Judy
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Aunt George
True Blue Farmgirl
1476 Posts
Georgann
Midlothian
VA
1476 Posts |
Posted - Mar 03 2007 : 5:01:15 PM
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Great experiences! I have more up on Chillblanes and Kim sent me a great one too. If you have time, please check it out. I also have an angelic encounter posted. The sit is not just "ghosts" There will be many more to come. You can access it from my blog listed below. Look on the column to the left and click on chillblanes.
http://auntgeorgeshouse.blogspot.com/index.html
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