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Farm Kitchen:  Why Do We Call It That?  |
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YellowRose
True Blue Farmgirl
6823 Posts
Sara
Paris
TX
USA
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 Posted - Jan 19 2024 : 08:48:37 AM
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I have a pot of collard greens on the stove, and I got wondering why I have always heard and called it a "mess of greens". So, I googled it. A "mess of greens" is a southern states and Texas term mainly used for collard greens. The size of the "mess of greens" depends on the size of the family.
Mess comes from the old French word that means a portion. It then came into old English and found its way into southern states and Texas for collard greens.
Are there terms you grew up with or is local to your state that you know how they came to be used.
Hugs, Sara "FarmGirl Sister" #6034 Aug 2014
FGOTM Sept 2015 - Feb 2019 - Oct 2023
Lord put your arm around my shoulders & your hand over my mouth.
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nubidane
True Blue Farmgirl
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Lisa
Georgetown
OH
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Posted - Jan 19 2024 : 10:16:04 AM
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| Ha! Thanks Sara! Last winter my friend was at a local grocer and green beans were on sale. She called me and asked if I wanted any. I said "Sure!" She said "how much?", and I answered, "A mess" She was so confused. I finally just told her maybe enough for a crock pot or so. LOL. I will have to show her this. |
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YellowRose
True Blue Farmgirl
6823 Posts
Sara
Paris
TX
USA
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Posted - Jan 19 2024 : 10:45:46 AM
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Lisa, a mess of green beans works for me. I've only heard it preferred to greens, but I guess it could be any vegetable sold by the bunch or weighed by the handfuls.
Hugs, Sara "FarmGirl Sister" #6034 Aug 2014
FGOTM Sept 2015 - Feb 2019 - Oct 2023
Lord put your arm around my shoulders & your hand over my mouth.
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StitchinWitch
True Blue Farmgirl
2141 Posts
Judith
Galt
CA
USA
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Posted - Jan 19 2024 : 11:11:22 AM
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When military people living on base or a ship go to meals they calling it going to mess. I always wondered where that term came about.
I do love a mess of greens. Chard is my favorite.
Judith
7932 FGOTM 6/21
I'm old and I do wear purple |
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nndairy
True Blue Farmgirl
3004 Posts
Heather
Wapakoneta
Ohio
USA
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Posted - Jan 19 2024 : 12:26:13 PM
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I've never heard of a mess of greens before - probably because I've never eaten them LOL! Thank for the info, Sara!
~Heather
Farmgirl Sister #4701
September 2014 Farmgirl of the Month
"The purpose of life is to enjoy every moment" - Yogi teabag
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MaryJanesNiece
True Blue Farmgirl
6735 Posts
Krista
Utah
USA
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Posted - Jan 19 2024 : 12:46:44 PM
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I haven't heard of this term either. And off the top of my head I can't think of any terms we use here like that. I will have to keep thinking.
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YellowRose
True Blue Farmgirl
6823 Posts
Sara
Paris
TX
USA
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Posted - Jan 19 2024 : 1:46:03 PM
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Judith, I remember now about military mess. I googled mess of greens so it didn't mention the military mess. Local grocery stores don't carry chard but I do like it. I have grown it in containers. I may try it again this spring.
Heather, one of these days you may want to try collards, mustard, or turnip greens. As the old folks used to say "they are so good for you". I giggled when I wrote that last line because now I am one of the old folks. lol
Keep thinking Krista, you'll come up with something.
Hugs, Sara "FarmGirl Sister" #6034 Aug 2014
FGOTM Sept 2015 - Feb 2019 - Oct 2023
Lord put your arm around my shoulders & your hand over my mouth.
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Nancy Joplin
True Blue Farmgirl
183 Posts
Nancy
Ontario
California
USA
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Posted - Jan 19 2024 : 6:01:27 PM
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Hi, All!
In the military the term mess comes from an old term meaning "enough food form one meal".
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nndairy
True Blue Farmgirl
3004 Posts
Heather
Wapakoneta
Ohio
USA
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Posted - Jan 19 2024 : 6:04:16 PM
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Sara - LOL! I might just have to do that. I eat my greens as salads and never think about trying to cook them.
~Heather
Farmgirl Sister #4701
September 2014 Farmgirl of the Month
"The purpose of life is to enjoy every moment" - Yogi teabag
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StitchinWitch
True Blue Farmgirl
2141 Posts
Judith
Galt
CA
USA
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Posted - Jan 19 2024 : 11:55:21 PM
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if you try them, spinach, chard, and beet and turnip greens cook the fastest (in that order) -- 20 minutes or so; collards take a couple of hours and tastes best with some onion, bacon, and a splash of vinegar added. Kale is a popular thing now but I really don't like it much, either that or I haven't learned to cook it properly.
Judith
7932 FGOTM 6/21
I'm old and I do wear purple |
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Wanda Sue
True Blue Farmgirl
1132 Posts
Wanda
Murrells Inlet
SC
USA
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Posted - Jan 20 2024 : 01:40:41 AM
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Thank you Sara for bringing this up. I have heard this all my life and my grandmaw was a great cook. My mom on the other hand, only cooked from cans. So my first introduction to collards and turnips was from a can. The turnips were tiny white cubes the size of peas mixed in with slimy greens. So I never would touch Grandmaws or anyone else’s, which I’m sure were so much better. As an adult I do love raw spinach in salads, and would love for someone to share exactly how you prepare the collards, because I know they are very healthy.
A day hemmed in prayer is less likely to unravel.
Farm Girl #3677
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YellowRose
True Blue Farmgirl
6823 Posts
Sara
Paris
TX
USA
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Posted - Jan 20 2024 : 06:05:38 AM
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Wanda, here's the basics for cooking collards, mustard, and turnip greens. The cooking time will vary because as Judith said collards takes hours where the other green take much less.
Depending on where you get your greens you may have to wash them several times. The grocery store where I get mine the collards are clean so one washing is all that's needed. I wrap the washed greens in a clean flour sack towel to dry.
Remove the center big stem and discard. Stack several leaves and cut them in half or if really big leaves cut in thirds lengthwise. Then slice the leaves across 1/2" to 1" thickness. Repeat until all leaves are prepped for cooking.
Collards can be cooked with smoked ham hock, salt pork, or bacon. Yesterday I had none of the above, so I sautéed sliced green onions (any onion will do) and 3 garlic cloves in olive oil. Added the prepped collard greens and distilled water to cover, salt to taste. Bring to a boil; cover; and cook on low. Yesterday I cooked the collard greens for 4 hours because the leaves were large and I like my greens very tender. I did not miss the pork and the olive oil, green onions, and garlic made the greens tasty.
Hugs, Sara "FarmGirl Sister" #6034 Aug 2014
FGOTM Sept 2015 - Feb 2019 - Oct 2023
Lord put your arm around my shoulders & your hand over my mouth.
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Wanda Sue
True Blue Farmgirl
1132 Posts
Wanda
Murrells Inlet
SC
USA
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Posted - Jan 20 2024 : 10:42:44 AM
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Thank you so much Sara!! That’s exactly what I needed, details, lol. No one has ever explained it better, thank you!
A day hemmed in prayer is less likely to unravel.
Farm Girl #3677
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criley
True Blue Farmgirl
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Connie
Eldon
MO
USA
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Posted - Jan 21 2024 : 7:30:19 PM
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We always called the military cafeteria the mess hall!
In my "neck of the woods" we refer to greens as a "mess of greens" also!
(Neck of the woods might come from the British/Scottish word neuk which means corner; so "my neuk/corner of the woods" possibly originated in early American when settlers were laying claim and describing their various parcels of land.)
Coni
Farmgirl Sister #4938
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YellowRose
True Blue Farmgirl
6823 Posts
Sara
Paris
TX
USA
6823 Posts |
Posted - Jan 22 2024 : 05:37:57 AM
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Connie, I've heard that express, in my neck of the woods, all my life and now I know how it came to be. Thanks for sharing.
Hugs, Sara "FarmGirl Sister" #6034 Aug 2014
FGOTM Sept 2015 - Feb 2019 - Oct 2023
Lord put your arm around my shoulders & your hand over my mouth.
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StitchinWitch
True Blue Farmgirl
2141 Posts
Judith
Galt
CA
USA
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Posted - Jan 22 2024 : 12:35:22 PM
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It's said in my neck of the woods, too.
Judith
7932 FGOTM 6/21
I'm old and I do wear purple |
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Red Tractor Girl
True Blue Farmgirl
6534 Posts
Winnie
Gainesville
Fl
USA
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Posted - Jan 25 2024 : 09:51:16 AM
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Sara, I have heard that same expression down here in Florida for any sort of fresh garden greens. It is unique way of expressing the abundant greens that grow well for us in the cool months.
Winnie #3109
Red Tractor Girl
Farm Sister of the Year 2014-2015
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shennandoah
True Blue Farmgirl
68 Posts
Shennandoah
La Vernia
TX
USA
68 Posts |
Posted - Jan 26 2024 : 8:14:11 PM
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You may want to check out the book “From the Family Kitchen.” It’s part food history, part genealogy. It explains where some terms come from. It also shares how most vital records for women before the 20th century were almost nonexistent. Often our only record of our grandmothers was from their recipes. It’s also interesting how food trends and even documenting recipes has changed over time, and can reflect an era not just a region. I highly recommend it.
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katmom
True Blue Farmgirl
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Grace
WACAL Gal
WashCalif.
USA
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Posted - Feb 03 2024 : 2:55:40 PM
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Sara,, Grandma Jackson from Mississippi called 'em Collard Greens,, and dad who was career Army, would bring us to the 'Mess Hall' for special occasions when the Cooks were prepping meals for special occasion...(Thanksgiving)
Ahh the things we learn!!!
>^..^<
Happiness is being a katmom and Glamping Diva!
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katmom
True Blue Farmgirl
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Grace
WACAL Gal
WashCalif.
USA
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Posted - Feb 03 2024 : 2:58:58 PM
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I grew up with "ToiToiToi'' (sounds like toy toy toy)
My German mother would tap 3 times on a surface and say this,, it had dual meaning, luck be with you, and bad luck avoid you"...
>^..^<
Happiness is being a katmom and Glamping Diva!
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MaryJanesNiece
True Blue Farmgirl
6735 Posts
Krista
Utah
USA
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Posted - Feb 05 2024 : 11:40:19 AM
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Sara, I finally thought of one. We have a dish here called funeral potatoes. Not sure how many know of this. Basically it's cheesy potatoes, but is referred to as funeral potatoes because it is often associated with the meal served after funerals. There hasn't been a funeral that I have attended that didn't have funeral potatoes. I don't recall ever hearing them called anything else other than funeral potatoes. My extended family will even serve the funeral potatoes at other potluck style events, not just funerals. But they are still called the same.
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YellowRose
True Blue Farmgirl
6823 Posts
Sara
Paris
TX
USA
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Posted - Feb 05 2024 : 12:25:27 PM
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Krista, I knew you would come up with something. Haven't heard of funeral potatoes but I know most ladies tend to bring the same dish for all the after-funeral dinners or even for potluck.
Hugs, Sara "FarmGirl Sister" #6034 Aug 2014
FGOTM Sept 2015 - Feb 2019 - Oct 2023
Lord put your arm around my shoulders & your hand over my mouth.
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MaryJanesNiece
True Blue Farmgirl
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Krista
Utah
USA
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Posted - Feb 05 2024 : 1:16:42 PM
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Sara, I have a couple friends who used to live out of state and say the same thing. I would get the weird look when I would say the name, but then they say they have eaten them before once I describe what it is. They are actually very yummy. My favorite variety is the one with corn flakes on top.
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Jokamartell
True Blue Farmgirl
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Karen
Kennewick
WA
USA
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Posted - Feb 05 2024 : 3:07:30 PM
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Krista, That’s the name of the recipe that I have…It’s called cornflake casserole! :) it’s so yummy!! :)
Karen :)
To quote one of my past preschoolers “Not one of those Karens, but a good Karen”! Haha |
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levisgrammy
True Blue Farmgirl
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Denise
Beavercreek
Ohio
USA
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Posted - Feb 06 2024 : 04:29:46 AM
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Oh my I love greens! Especially collards. I don't cook mine as long as some of you but then my preferred way of eating them is in my salads because I love raw veggies. I do spinach the same.
~Denise
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nubidane
True Blue Farmgirl
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Lisa
Georgetown
OH
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Posted - Feb 06 2024 : 07:47:15 AM
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| Krista, we call our Mrs Dells potatoes. I thought it was someone my BIL's family knew, but I just googled it and there are a bunch of recipes. Who knew? Kind of crushed my image of a sweet old family friend named Mrs Dell |
Edited by - nubidane on Feb 06 2024 07:47:58 AM |
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