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LadyInRed
True Blue Farmgirl

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PeggyAnn
Vancouver WA
USA
6501 Posts

Posted - Apr 30 2012 :  3:40:35 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Nini...I don't think anybody could explain that more clearly than you just did. That was a beautiful
explanation! Jesus is The Perfect that has come...we no longer need the mold...other than to show us
why we so desperately needed a Savior in the first place.

There is nothing wrong with expressing fear, concern or even questioning our pain, Nini. I know what
Sarcoidosis is...it is a scaring of the lung tissue. My ex worked as a Chemical Driver for about 3 yrs.
He started to come down with symptoms of it. His company made him sign a waver that they were not responsible for the problem; though we knew the chemicals were. But without talking to me my husband
signed the release of liability form, for fear of losing his job if he didn't. And as soon as the
company had that piece of paper in their hands (with-in a two week period) they fired him on some trumpted
up charge. I have never heard of neurosarcoidosis before...but I am assuming it is a scaring/damage of the nerves??? I am assuming that you have never worked around industrial chemicals since everyone seems so
shocked that you are afflicted with this, is that correct? Besides your blood red eye...what are the other symptoms that you are now dealing with? You mentioned brain tumors in your past, was that part of this
illness or something seperate? I do thank you for sharing Nini because we can better know how to pray
for you...though God knows and that is all that really matters. You do not have to feel like your faith is
wavering because it is not. It is just another big opportunity to trust God and talking about it openly allows us to help lift you up and share in your burden.

I would like to share the 4 ways a Test Becomes a Testimony from our Sunday Message.

1. You Praise God through your suffering.

2 Corinth. 12:9 and 2 Corinth1:3 ; James 1:2

WE CHOOSE TO BE BETTER NOT BITTER

2. We See God's Purpose in the Suffering We are Experiencing

2 Corinth 1:4-7, 1 Thessal.5:11, Galatians 6:2

3. We Persevere Through The Suffering

2 Corinth 1:8-11, Romans 5:3

4. The Promise of Suffering is Always Temporary

2 Corinth 4:16-18, Revelation 12:11, John 16:33

You will notice that most of these words came from Brother Paul...who knew suffering more than him? Only Christ Jesus!

I just want to share that our Pastor and his wife...had just gotten notice 4 days before Sunday...that
their 21 year old son (who is in Mexico) just relapsed and was back on Heroine after a year of being off
the stuff. Their hearts were devestated...but still Pastor John and Michelle...stood up and delivered this
message in the midst of their own very difficult circumstances. Knowing that even though they felt like being anywhere but up on that stage on Sunday...their Test was a testimony they needed to share. Even right their in the midst of their pain. They thought their son David...was healed and headed for the Ministry and
we had all been rejoicing with them for a year.( And I know God is NOT done with David...because God never stops Persuing Us...He Loves Us Too Much Too Give Up On Us. And we can never fall so far that He can't reach us.) They say that 97% of Heroine addicts never beat the addiction. Well my Pastor and our Congregation are 3% Believers that
God can save David and heal him for good. Nothing is Impossible with God! Amen?
I am so glad that Pastor John and his wife let us be a part of their pain and suffering. It was a story
everyone needed to hear and share in, Nini...just like yours. Thank you for allowing us to go through this with you.
You are NOT alone in your suffering and pain. You thought you were healed once...we thought David was too...
LIFE Happens and sometimes we need a second touch from The Great Physician. I Know you TRUST Him with your life. And we do too!

love and hugs,
peggy

Farmgirl #1326
http://ladyinredsite.blogspot.com

"Leave Your Cares Behind...Join Us On The Porch"

"I'm only as strong as the caffeine I drink, the hair-spray I use and the Girlfriends that I have."

When I was a lonely wallflower, Jesus asked me to dance. Then he asked me to be His!

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Ninibini
True Blue Farmgirl

7044 Posts

Nini
Pennsylvania
USA
7044 Posts

Posted - Apr 30 2012 :  6:53:42 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Oh, Peggy - your post felt like a really warm, compassionate, understanding hug and just brought me to tears. Thank you, my dear sister. I love you.

I can't believe someone actually has heard of this! The way they explained it to me is that, when the neurosarcoidosis is active, my immune system basically recognizes my nervous system as the enemy and seeks out to attack and destroy it. That's just the simplest way of putting it. I understand that this disease has many symptoms in common with multiple sclerosis, lupus, and Huntingdon disease, to name a few. All of them are so closely related, but diagnosed based on different enzymes or something, I think... I can't remember, I'm sorry. It's been so long, and I really thought I had put it all behind me. It was horrible. I know that it can manifest in different ways in the body, but mine manifested a huge attack on my nervous system. I had just typed a loooong explanation of my experience, but decided to delete it. The past is the past, and I don't want to dwell on it and make myself paranoid about every little thing that I have been feeling lately. We'll just wait for the bloodwork to come back. Plus I don't want to scare or worry anybody - especially if it turns out that this is not what is happening with me. One step at a time, right? I just pray to God they don't do another spinal tap. I got the spinal headache from that - "beached brain" they called it - and ahd to have the epidural blood patch. Archaic, yes, but God bless the person who discovered it, because it took away the agony in minutes. ANYHOW, They told me over and over that we had to watch the lungs, though, because it could just make me stop breathing, and it'd be over. Thankfully it never went there. Let's pray it never does. :)

Oh! And no, I never worked around anything chemical. This is just an autoimmune disease. They said they do not know what causes it, it just happens. Not very comforting to hear, that's for sure.

Please know that I have a very close relative who also had been a heroine addict for most of his life. He went through hell and back with it, too. It took many, many years and the grace of God, but today he is clean and sober and heroine-free. It can happen. I will keep your pastor and his wife in my prayers, for sure. It's a very, very difficult and painful thing for not only the addict, but the family who loves him. My heart really aches for them, Peggy. God give them strength, faith and perseverance!

Thanks so much again - I can't tell you how much I appreciate all that you have said.

May God bless us - every one!

Hugs -

Nini

Farmgirl Sister #1974

God gave us two hands... one to help ourselves, and one to help others!


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laurentany
True Blue Farmgirl

3259 Posts

Laurie
Patchogue NY
USA
3259 Posts

Posted - Apr 30 2012 :  8:49:37 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Blessings o tyou all my dear farmgirl sisters! Just love reading all of your posts and wisdoms.
Nini- great to see you back around on the farm- we miss you when you are gone! Glad you are feeling better.
Peggy- I will pray for David, to beat this ugly addiction. Drugs scare me to death- always have. Now being the mom of an almost 14 year old and almost 12 year old I am scared even more. Just dont know what this world has come to.
Praying that God continues to watch over each and every one of us.
Hugs,



~Laurie
"Little Hen House on the Island"
Farmgirl Sister#1403


Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away..
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Cherime
True Blue Farmgirl

1222 Posts

Cherime
Wasilla Alaska
USA
1222 Posts

Posted - May 01 2012 :  09:07:04 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
All else was a type and shadow of the salvation to come, Jesus. True. And he fulfilled the law. The covenant of Abraham, prior to the giving of the law as a covenant of faith whereas the law was that mold, showing what should be done and mankind was not able to sufficiently able to fill the void so God himself came to earth to provide the necessary element to fulfill what was needed. The covenant between God and Abraham was not based on anything other than the faith that Abraham had in God and that God would fulfill all the promises that he made to Abraham. So it seems to me that the covenant made before the law was given was the foundation that was laid that proved that faith not works was to be the basis of our relationship with a loving God. God most certainly loved Abraham and Abraham most certainly loved God.

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Cherime
True Blue Farmgirl

1222 Posts

Cherime
Wasilla Alaska
USA
1222 Posts

Posted - May 01 2012 :  09:13:46 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
NIni Bless you dear, and I think that we all fear illness especially as we get older. And all on the media is designed to get us into the doctor's office with concerns about what ifs. You had a what if already that needs to be gone and stay gone. That is what I will continue to pray for in this instance. That the positive side, your wonderful heart will touch someone that desperately needs that touch, and then off you go again, free and clear. God bless you mightily will all the good things at are in heavenly places.

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LadyInRed
True Blue Farmgirl

6501 Posts

PeggyAnn
Vancouver WA
USA
6501 Posts

Posted - May 01 2012 :  1:46:22 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Nini...the love is mutual dear one! I don't know if I have shared on this forum or not that I too have
an auto-ammune disorder. It is Fibromyalgia/chonic fatigue along with two forms of arthritis. That is
kind of why I was asking you what your symptoms were. All auto-aummune disorders are somewhat inner-
related. Fibro is alot like MS too...and many other diseases. But it is always your body turning against itself. I have studied this so much over my 10 yrs of being disabled. I think I know more about the disease
than most doctors. I know that it runs in families (my mom, aunt, sister, brother and I all have it or have had it...my brother died of cancer five yrs ago). It also is affected by chemicals in the environment (in our part of the country we had a Nucueler Power Plant for many years; just recently we were informed by the news media that back in my school age days; our government had the Power Plant release radiation into the
air in small doses to see what affects it would have on the general population. (Nice...Huh?) Anyway...I lived in the Spokane area at the time and we got the worse affects of the fall out there) The Spokane area has the most highly populated area of people with Fibromyalgia and other autoammune disorders than anywhere else in the County. It is also very weather affected. When you have an auto-ammune disorder or any of the
arthritises (also auto-ammune) you feel the pain through your entire body when the berometrics change. Or simpler put...when storms come in and out of your area. I live in constant pain every day of my life. It feels like you have the flu and all your joint and muscles ache (those are my good days). When I have Fibro flares...I can be in bed, in extreme pain (where nobody can touch me) for days. And I sleep constantly. My Dr. said that that sleep is my body trying to "RESTORE or HEAL" itself. I can sleep and sleep and sleep and still be fatigued. I also had a bad case of Shingles 10 yrs ago, and it left me with nerve damage...which just all plays into the whole Fibro thing too. So Nini, believe me darlen when I say...I get your pain and I understand why you are scarred. For the first 2 yrs of my Fibro I felt like my Life had been Shattered like a dropped mirror. Nothing in my life was...what it had been...and I mourned the LOSS of my life and health...and I went into a deep depression. It took God a full two years to show me...that He could still use me, that he did not have to redefine me, and that all I needed to do was accept my "New Reality". It was going to be a painful existence but it was not going to take my life. And in my weakness...God would be Glorified and give me His strength. ~ I hope this sharing helps!~ It is a very long story made short for
everyone's benefit. Just know...what does not kill us...makes us stronger!

Love and Blessings,
Peggy

Farmgirl #1326
http://ladyinredsite.blogspot.com

"Leave Your Cares Behind...Join Us On The Porch"

"I'm only as strong as the caffeine I drink, the hair-spray I use and the Girlfriends that I have."

When I was a lonely wallflower, Jesus asked me to dance. Then he asked me to be His!

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Ninibini
True Blue Farmgirl

7044 Posts

Nini
Pennsylvania
USA
7044 Posts

Posted - May 01 2012 :  6:46:51 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you, Laurie & Cherime... Your hugs are felt in my heart. God bless you both! Love you both dearly, too.

Oh, Peggy! I did NOT know that! I'm so sorry - I totally understand what you're going through. You know, one of my aunts always used to say that she was convinced I had Fibromyalgia because of the way I described what I was going through. Yes, Fibromyalgia is very similar to NS. Very similar. The pain you describe is pretty much what I used to experience. The weather made it worse, but heat was as bad as cold which was as bad as the rain... And simply lying in bed hurt. There was never a comfortable moment. High pitched screeching pain running all throughout my entire body - that's the only way I can describe it. Even my face hurt - my cheeks, my jaw, my chin... I'll never forget it. Sometimes it felt almost as if my body was turning into rock - like I could feel it turning into rock and my bones felt like they were splintering in places. My bones hurt, my muscles hurt... everything hurt. The pain was excruciating - just high pitched screeching pain... if it had a sound, it would've sounded like the dentist's drill. Nothing really stopped it or took the edge off, either. It hurt when I moved, it hurt when I was sedentary, it hurt while I slept. Misery. God is merciful, though. He never allowed me more than I could bear. And praise Jesus! He healed me! So, even the mere idea that it could be back... I can't think about it.

I know exactly that feeling of your life and your body shattering... And nobody really can understand what it's like. I have a very senstitive spot for those who are suffering with any kind of pain, because it really doesn't have a "face," you know? It's hard for people to fathom. Other than being swollen and moving like I was in bondage, I looked normal. I did whatever I could, but that was only followed by more "punishment," if you will. I've been having pain in my arms and hands again, and my body is swelling up again for no reason. I see the signs but I'm trying to dismiss them. There is still the chance that it's not the NS. It doesn't have to be the NS. But the stuff going on with my heart (left branch bundle block) and with my blood pressure really could be a result of the disease, because everything else seems "normal." I just am trying so hard not to think about it or dwell on it. I don't want to make myself paranoid and talk myself into having it again, you know? I'm just praying Jesus will heal whatever it is that's going on with me... and YOU... and anyone else who goes through this kind of thing. But, like I said, His will be done...whatever His purpose, I'm ready to serve...AND to fight! My life for His glory! :)

Oh... I feel just so, so bad to think you go through this, Peggy. Now I know how to pray for YOU, dear sister. I'm so sorry. And yet, I'm so glad we both shared, because now we can pray for each other, and now we know someone who really understands. God love and bless you. We'll honor Him together - I'm here with you every step of the way!

Hugs and love -

Nini

Farmgirl Sister #1974

God gave us two hands... one to help ourselves, and one to help others!

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LadyInRed
True Blue Farmgirl

6501 Posts

PeggyAnn
Vancouver WA
USA
6501 Posts

Posted - May 02 2012 :  12:59:04 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Nini...you are spot on girl, on your Fibro pain discription. You Know!
So, we both know how to pray for each other...let's not bore these girls with our
horror stories any more! Lol But please do keep us updated on anything your find
out currently from the Drs. And email me anytime dear Sister and I will email you too.
And I am all for healing...though many prayers have gone up for me in the past 10 yrs...
(though God can heal me any time) and I will Praise His Holy Name just the same as I do
in the midst of it all!

blessings and love,
peggy

Farmgirl #1326
http://ladyinredsite.blogspot.com

"Leave Your Cares Behind...Join Us On The Porch"

"I'm only as strong as the caffeine I drink, the hair-spray I use and the Girlfriends that I have."

When I was a lonely wallflower, Jesus asked me to dance. Then he asked me to be His!
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FieldsofThyme
Farmgirl Guide & Schoolmarm / Chapter Leader

4928 Posts



USA
4928 Posts

Posted - May 02 2012 :  05:55:53 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
What a wonderful place to come to each day!

So many stories to share and so many wonderful people.

I'm lifting my spirits today with an Amy Grant CD I bought many years ago. I love the upbeat songs she sings.

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Ninibini
True Blue Farmgirl

7044 Posts

Nini
Pennsylvania
USA
7044 Posts

Posted - May 02 2012 :  07:08:21 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Good Morning, Girls!

I'm with you, Peggy - let's keep it to emails, unless of course we need prayer! ;)

Kristina! I just love Amy Grant! I do not own any of her CDs, but she is on a mix CD I own which includes two of her songs that are my favorites: Thy Word and El Shaddai. Now they'll be playing in my head all day! YES!!! Thanky ou!

This past year, I have been teaching my son an Ethics course. It has been very interesting. In the course evil is defined as the lack of a good, and it acknowledges that man and his goals are basically good (extremely abbreviated explanation). Of course we know that man is good because back in Genesis when He looked upon all His creation "God saw it was good." We also know that because we all have the breath of God in us, we know we are intrinsically good. In contrast, evil is defined as the lack of good, and sin occurs as a result of that lack of good.

The more we have studied, the more I have been thinking about how sin really is the result of a lack of good, and how much we need Jesus' salvation, and His good - the Holy Spirit - to fill us. I've started to see how the Holy Spirit fills in the spaces within us that are "lacking." I also have been thinking a lot about Eve. Oh, poor Eve. Sometimes I think all she wanted was to be more like her Daddy. I'm not sure when she sinned she was all that bent on power - I wonder if she instead just saw something marvelous in her Daddy and in that beautiful apple her Daddy made that she couldn't even conceive that anything other than good could come of it. So, when the serpent told her she could be just like Him, the possibility of becoming more like her Daddy was more than she could bear. Well, of course, I know that's not exactly the case; but I have a tough time believing she was all that bad. I have to say also that Dr. Scott Hahn has a very intriguing explanation of what occurred in the garden (unrelated to my silly way of wanting to see Eve) and why original sin is attributed to Adam rather than Eve, but we can save that for another day. I think you would find it very interesting. Anyhow, I like to think of Eve as more naive than full of sinful motives...


I digress... sorry.

I was thinking how when she picked up the apple, she "saw it was good." So her desire was to taste of a goal that was basically good. But by listening to the lies of confusion the serpent spoke (the way He twisted God's Word), and by her own negligence for detail concerning what God her Father said concerning the fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, the serpent was was able to gain a foothold in the lacking, or evil. As a result, she moved toward her goal of good in a sinful way. Thus sin was born into the world, separation from God and condemnation was brought upon mankind, and our loving Father's plan of salvation and redemption us was underway. I can't help but wonder what would have happened had her response to the serpent's promptings been, "Well, God told us not to eat of this, so let's wait for Him to come and see what He has to say. I'm not going to eat of it without His permission," you know?

So....'Just wondering what your thoughts are on the subject?

May peace and joy in Christ be yours today!

Nini

Farmgirl Sister #1974

God gave us two hands... one to help ourselves, and one to help others!


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Cherime
True Blue Farmgirl

1222 Posts

Cherime
Wasilla Alaska
USA
1222 Posts

Posted - May 02 2012 :  08:54:58 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
According to the Hebrew telling of the story of Eve. Part of her problem was that she was initially given wrong information by Adam. This is where not changing one jot or tittle or taking away from or adding to God's word comes in. God told Adam not to eat of the fruit of the tree. Adam made it a bit stronger and told her not to touch the tree or she would die. So along comes satan and as well as twisting the words she spoke back to her, he pushed her against the tree and since she did not die she began to question what Adam had told her that God said. One reason God hates gossip is that it is usually character assassination and that is what satan did, he assassinated God's character to Eve. Gossip is murder by speech. Gives the prohibition against gossip a whole new meaning. The old saying "if you can't say anything good, say noting at all" is a pearl of wisdom.

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Ninibini
True Blue Farmgirl

7044 Posts

Nini
Pennsylvania
USA
7044 Posts

Posted - May 02 2012 :  09:49:11 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
That's very interesting, Cherime... But I'm a little confused because I have a Bible directly translated from the original Hebrew, which says in Genesis 2:17: "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you are not to eat; for, the day you eat of that, you are doomed to die." (Jerusalem Bible) I know it's not the Torah itself, but I am confused as to why my translation and all the others I've seen out there indicate that God told Adam he would die. My understanding was that God told Adam he would die meaning a spiritual death rather than a physical one, and that the serpent's twisting of God's words made them think it was an immediate physical death. When it didn't happen right away to Eve, Adam willingly partook of the apple as well. I'm definitely going to have to study up on that!!! I will definitely look into it! Thank you!!!

Dr. Hahn suggests that the serpent was not in fact a simple little creature, but rather a very huge, scarey, life-threatening creature, and that there was much more than intimidation occuring in the hearts of Adam and Eve when it was speaking to them. Further, he suggests that Adam was right there during the entire encounter between the serpent and Eve, but he stood back at a distance out of fear and let Eve fend for herself knowing that she was not fully armed with the truth. Dr. Hahn suggests Adam did not protect or "cover" Eve as he should have, and he did not speak up about the truth of what God really said, allowing her to fall, which was huge sin. Adam could have done something and changed the course of history, but he allowed sin to happen, to enter into the world. He neither protected Eve nor "the garden." He also suggests that when Adam ate of the fruit, it was not out of naivete or innocence or misunderstanding as Eve had done; Dr. Hahn suggests that Adam fear the serpent and death more than He feared and trusted God. Had Adam stood up to the serpent, protected Eve, honored God and His truth, he may have physically "died," but he would have still attained eternal life. He let fear overcome him rather than trusting in God at all costs. His sin was lack of faith and turning away from God, and, for that, man was separated by God. Jesus, the New Adam, did the exact opposite - He took it all and reversed the curse.

Of course, my explanation of Dr. Hahn's explanation is inadequate and I am paraphrasing as best as I can with my recollection. But to hear him teach about it, especially in light of Mary being the New Eve, and in using a more literal translation of the original text, it's very thought-provoking. I'm not sure whether he covered this completely in his book, "First Comes Love," as it has been a couple of years since I have read it, but I did hear him speak about it once in one of those interview-type programs, and it was fascinating.

Hugs -

Nini


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Cherime
True Blue Farmgirl

1222 Posts

Cherime
Wasilla Alaska
USA
1222 Posts

Posted - May 02 2012 :  4:17:09 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Nini, correct God told him he would die but from eating the fruit not from just touching the tree. And it appears from the jots and tittles that he changed what God had told him when relating it to Eve into "if you touch the tree you will die". From what I understand from class not just spiritual but physical as well was going to be the result. Also Adam did not fess up when God gave him an opportunity to do so but tried to shift the blame to Eve and God because she was the "woman you gave me". Actually it was Eve who spoke up and did not attempt to shift the blame.
As to the serpent, I understand from class that he was beautiful with many colors and large. Which is why he was able to push Eve against the tree. And I think the good Dr's assessment of the situation is about what I was given to understand in class. Had Adam run to God instead of hiding and trying to foist all the blame unto Eve and God, things could have been radically different.
But God was prepared. Thank you Jesus! I think that we see this the same way.
I also ran across something in my reading of Hebrews last night. I have a 4 way parallel bible and while reading came across a statement that what Jesus may have feared in the garden was that satan might cause him to die prematurely in the garden that night and that his anguish was that the body he was in was very fragile and in need of strengthening by the angel sent by God in order that he make it through and to the cross. In a way that makes quite a bit of sense as he had been going non stop for 3 years with all the pressures of all who relied on him and all who needed healing. As in the statement regarding the woman with the issue of blood, that he felt "virtue leave him"; power left him body. How very much of himself he had given away during those 3 years. I can well imagine how physically worn down he was. I am not sure how they got that but really do wish that I was a better scholar. I would like to delve into that one.
Blessings dear work around the house calls. Funny how I wind up fixing something to fix something.

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FieldsofThyme
Farmgirl Guide & Schoolmarm / Chapter Leader

4928 Posts



USA
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Posted - May 03 2012 :  09:32:26 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'll be back to read this over again. :)

Great thoughts!

I've just applied for a part-time job and heading out to look for more. This would be on top of working the Farmer's Market, as well as my garden and home chores.

I'll update when I can.

Have a blessed day! It's a scorcher here today.

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erowease
True Blue Farmgirl

294 Posts

Lesley
Edmonds wa
USA
294 Posts

Posted - May 03 2012 :  10:29:00 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi everyone, love the conversation thats going on. It has really been enlightening on where I am at with my own faith and how I need to trust that God will provide. I just find it hard sometimes to hear his voice. I ask for prayers for myself and my husband. He finally found a job after 5 months unemployment but it has been a struggle. We need strength and guidance as we deal with our issues.

Lesley
Psalm 139
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Ninibini
True Blue Farmgirl

7044 Posts

Nini
Pennsylvania
USA
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Posted - May 03 2012 :  11:19:16 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Oh, I see, Cherime... So, basically, they are teaching that it was Adam's miscommunication to Eve as to what God said that caused her to misunderstand and/or mistakenly convey God's word to the serpent. I guess that really does drive home just how important it is that we "know" what God's Word says, huh? A lot of things can go wrong if we don't know our stuff. I just wish I could just soak it all in, don't you? I don't have a 4-way parallel Bible - that must be a lot easier to handle than the five or six different translations I have to thumb through! What is it called, or who published it? I'm going to have to find one for myself!!! I don't think I ever looked at that miscommunication (Adam - Eve - serpent) as an assassination on God's character before, either... but man, that sure makes a lot of sense! I also never heard that Jesus was fearful of Satan in the garden like that before... I'm going to look that up!!! I was always taught that in the garden the difficulty for Him was having to face all the sins of and horrors caused by mankind, knowing that His personal sacrifice would have to atone for it as well as to quell God's anger. That's a heavy yoke, indeed! He knew HE had to do it - there was no one else, and no other way. He was THE Way. Plus, He knew the suffering and failures that His followers would go through, and He knew that even though He was going through all of this for every single person that ever lived, many would still reject Him, be lost and suffer eternal damnation. It must've been very difficult - painful - heartbreaking - being THE Shepherd and knowing that in a short while all hell would literally break loose and He'd have to leave them behind. Anyhow... Thank you for giving me so much to think about and study!!!

My prayers are with you, Kristina - I hope all goes well for you on your job search... Please keep us posted about your hubby, too! It's pretty yucky here, too - humid, especially.

Lesley - I think we all struggle with hearing His voice. When I can't seem to figure out what He is saying to me, I ask Him to send two or three witnesses to convey His message. He does so every time, in amazing ways, that leave no questions about what direction He wants me to take. Another thing is that I wait for the stillness and calm He sends before moving. If I don't have that "peace that surpasses all understanding" about something I want to do, I simply wait. Sometimes people think I'm crazy when I tell them that I am not doing something because the Lord hasn't given me peace about it yet, but I don't care. The Lord has never failed me, but even the best intentioned loved ones have at some point or another. I just pray, trust and wait. He's working behind the scenes on your behalf, I know He is! When everything comes together, it will be amazing! I'll be praying for you, definitely!

Hugs and blessings -

Nini




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Posted - May 04 2012 :  04:56:25 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Oh girls this is good! New things to consider. I had never considered Eves motives that way Nini. Cherime it reminds me of the group ice breakers we use at youth meetings where you start with a sentence and whisper it in the ear of the one sitting next to you who ist to shisper the same sentence unaltered to their neighbor. by the time the sentence makes full circle the last one speaks it out loud and the first one tells what it started out as. Not usually the same sentence.
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Posted - May 04 2012 :  3:08:58 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Smiley, just like that. Thatís why it says to not take away from or add to Godís word.
Nini, itís called the Laymanís Parallel Bible. I rescued it from a thrift store. I have a tendency to rescue Bibles when I see them. It has the KJV, The Modern Language Bible, The Living Bible and the Revised Standard Version in it all side by side.

Hebrews 5:7 from the Living Bible
ďYet while Christ was here on earth he pleaded with God, praying with tears and agony of soul to the only one who would save him from (premature) death. And God heard his prayers because of his strong desire to obey God at al times.Ē

The commentary says ďImplied. Christís longing was to live until he could die on the cross for all mankind. There is a strong case to be made that satanís great desire was that Christ should die prematurely before the mighty work at the cross could be preformed. Christís body, being human, was frail and week like ours (except that his was sinless) He had said just a few moments before ďmy soul is exceedingly sorrowful unto death. And can a human body live long under such pressure of spirit as he underwent in the garden, that caused sweating of great drops of blood? But God heard and answered his anguished cry in Gethsemane (let this cup pass from me) and preserved him from imminent and premature death for an angel was sent to strengthen him so that he could live to accomplish Godís perfect will at the cross. But some readers may prefer the explanation that Christís plea was so that he could be saved out from death at the resurrection.Ē

Either one amazes me at his goodness and mercy.

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Posted - May 05 2012 :  12:21:05 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Asking for prayer for my daughter and son-in-law (a pastor). On May 14 they are travelling to France for two weeks as pastoral support to missionaries there who are preparing to go forward into Africa. Part of the trip will be to celebrate their ten year anniversary also. Meanwhile, here back in the states, hubby and I will have four children for two weeks, so I guess you could say we need prayers and strength too.

I love reading the posts here. Anytime we read and discuss the Word, it brings peace. Just reading above about various translations, I thought I would put in a word. I use the NASB translation. It is a reference bible too, and it explains so much and gives so much depth at the bottom of each page. It is a good translation, and I have heard one of the most accurate translations.

Thanks in advance for your prayers for our family in the middle of this month!


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Posted - May 05 2012 :  06:31:24 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have a Thompson Chain Bible that I use for reference mostly. I find it to be difficult for just reading as the grammar structure for me just does not flow well for reading. I also have a Stone Edition Torah and I have e-Sword on the computer. I really like e-Sword as I can set up a parallel Bible and copy and paste as well.

Jeannie, praying for you and yours

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Posted - May 05 2012 :  07:04:33 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'll definitely be praying for you and your loved ones, Jeannie!!! Please keep us posted!

Lea - please just remember that that is the way I LIKE to think of Eve... It's really not how it was, though. The serpent was probably terrifying her, and she had a choice to make: don't eat the apple and he'd kill her, OR don't trust God, eat the apple, and, after so doing, because she was misinformed she would interpret that the serpent was telling his "truth" - she "surely <did> not die." She saw it was good and knew good came from God, so she took the bite. Adam wasn't stopping her, so it must be okay. She didn't die physcially at that point, but she didn't understand yet what had happened - she suffered spiritual death as a result of her disobedience, and physical later on. She would soon come to know the TRUTH when God came walking through the garden.

So, when Paul says that women are saved through childbearing, I think it really might be a reference to Mary bringing forth Christ. She is the "new Eve" whose faith, faithfulness and unquestioning obedience turned Eve's error and consequence around. We, as women, are, of course, saved through Christ, just as man. But Mary reversed Eve's actions. And Jesus - bless His Holy Name - as the "New Adam," accomplished all of God's Will for mankind, and reversed the curse Adam brought upon us all. Pretty heavy stuff, but the more I study about it, the more the Lord opens my eyes and the more excited my heart becomes!!!

My favorite reference Bible is the Ryrie Study Bible. A neighbor recommended it to me YEARS ago, and it's my most referenced, highlighted, annotated and literally falling apart Bible of them all! ;)

I'll have to look up that passage, Cherime and see what it says in my Bible, too. I've never heard that before. Although, I have heard that that references Christ's plea, but not because He wanted to get out of what was to come for Himself, but, rather, so He would not have to leave his followers behind. :)

Cherime - I am wondering... Or, maybe one of you other dear sisters will know or be able to explain... Years ago, when my son was very little, I was listening to Christian radio (Protestant, not Catholic) and a man was explaining how Christ was Mary's heel who crushed the serpent. I was in the car driving at the time, and couldn't take notes, of course, but I would really love to find out more about that. Basically, if memory serves, he explained that in Biblical times, the firstborn son was considered to be his mother's "heel," the one she could stand on, rely on, trust, to take care of her and lead the family in absentia of the father. (As is the case today, women usually far outlived their husbands in those days.) I guess the literal translation of the term used is "heel." Somehow that had to do with the reference made to the heel in Genesis 3:15: "And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel." (NIV) I'd just really like to find a book or a website to read up on that, if anyone knows. The man's explanation was incredibly insightful, however this many years later, I cannot even remember which program I was listening to... I want to say it was, "The Bible Answer Man," (love Hank Hanegraaf!) or maybe even David Jeremiah's program, "Turning Point" (another old favorite!), but I honestly cannot remember!

Have a blessed day, girls!

Hugs -

Nini

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Edited by - Ninibini on May 05 2012 07:10:52 AM
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Posted - May 05 2012 :  12:21:12 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Nini what stuck with you was the good stuff. I like that one as well. What I did was to completely copy the commentary at the bottom word for word and posted that. It will be interesting to see what yours comes up with.
This has some interesting things to say on the Hebrews passage http://bible.cc/hebrews/5-7.htm
Also on the matter of the heel.
Be blessed as you go about your day.

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Posted - May 06 2012 :  12:43:47 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Girls...I have had a few bad days weather wise...but got on and caught up with the reading tonight.

Great conversation. I have nothing really new to add to it. Other than I don't think Christ feared Satan.
I think what he feared was that he knew his Father was going to have to turn his back...when Christ took
on the sins of the World, on the Cross. Because God cannot look upon sin. So, for the very first time
ever there was going to be total seperation between Father and Son. And I think he worried too about the
pain he would suffer physically. He was God incarnate but He was also fully man, while he walked this Earth.
And no one would want to face the horrors he knew he was about to endure. And he loved his mother, family and friends...and he knew his leaving them in the physical realm...was going to be very painful for them.

Just a couple extra thoughts. And Nini...what your remember from that Radio teaching years ago...is spot on about the heel and how Satan would strike it but Jesus (the heel) would crush Satan's head.

Shirley...I will be praying for you, hubby, kids and their parent who will be traveling on Missionary work.

I love to use ever bible translation to study from...because it is like all of us conversing together...you get different view points and takes from every angle. So, I love lining them up and seeing what they each have to say on what I am studying. The ones I find I use the most are NASB, NIV, NKJV, The Message and JB
Philips. But, they all have something we can derive from them. I know the Holy Spirit speaks to me through which ever one I am reading at the moment. :+)

Hugs,
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Posted - May 06 2012 :  07:48:42 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I don't think that Jesus feared satan, probably he was not looking forward to what he had to suffer and being cut off from the Father due to all that sin. But the comment about being fearful that his mortal body did not have the strength to take him through to the finish line, that comment stuck with me from the commentary. That is also a part of being in a mortal body, wondering if it has the strength necessary to take you through to the end of the race. Being concerned about that is a part of being human.
Blessings all.

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