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GaiasRose
True Blue Farmgirl
2552 Posts
Tasha-Rose
St. Paul
Minnesota
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 Posted - Dec 02 2006 : 7:21:39 PM
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Who has seen this? We just finished watching it and we are both amazed! Lake Chad is GONE! There are so many things that are happening to our planet and most people don't even give a single thought about it....We are going to watch it again when the kids are asleep and we don't have to half listen and half play with kids....it's unbeleivable what is happening to our home and it is US that is the problem!!
Please see this if you haven't....it really is a matter of life or death.
~*~Brightest Blessings~*~
Tasha-Rose
blogs: http://gaiarose.wordpress.com
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JudyBlueEyes
True Blue Farmgirl
657 Posts
Judith
Spokane
Washington
USA
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Posted - Dec 02 2006 : 7:28:40 PM
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Tasha, I saw this about 2 months ago and got the book too. It is simply amazing, isn't it? What broke my heart was the bit about the polar bears drowning because they have to swim up to 60 miles between ice floes and they can't make it...I know what's happening to people is so much more devastating, but I was really touched by that image. Judy
The Rooster crows, but the Hen lays the egg. ~ Texas Proverb |
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CabinCreek-Kentucky
True Blue Farmgirl
8529 Posts
Frannie
Green County
Kentucky
USA
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Posted - Dec 02 2006 : 11:07:06 PM
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we saw it several months ago too .. powerful film .. powerful man ..
True Friends, Frannie
CABIN CREEK FARM
KENTUCKY
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westernhorse51
True Blue Farmgirl
1681 Posts
michele
farmingdale
n.j.
USA
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Posted - Dec 03 2006 : 05:12:49 AM
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I guess what I DON'T understand is why in the h... are we all putting up w/ it! Everyone, and I mean everyone knows how were killing our planet. There is no excuse for anyone NOT to know anymore between movies, educational shows on TV, the schools and yet, nothing is being done. When its evident that you can run a car on oil left over from a french fry vat, mustard seed and countless other ways that are being put out over the airways why isn't our government doing anything??
I don't want to turn this into politics so I will leave my views of our Pres. out of it and others before him but NOW that it is out there why is NO ONE in our Govt. doing anything or at least doing enough. We are a "wealthy" country and were killing ourselves & all the other living things w/ us.
I always thought what a crazy & cruel country China was w/ killing babies if they were a girl or killing babies at all, just pass out birth control you crazed people! Here we are killing everything off slowly one speices at a time. Now after MUCH work, money and time, countries are starting to kill the whales again. I can't even try to make sense of this, I just can't.
she selects wool and flax and works with eager hands Prov.31:13 |
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GaiasRose
True Blue Farmgirl
2552 Posts
Tasha-Rose
St. Paul
Minnesota
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Posted - Dec 03 2006 : 08:00:38 AM
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Michele, while we can say we need to keep our politics out of it, IMHO, the politics and morality of it go hand in hand. When he was elected, the current occupant said he would do something about regulating CO2 emmissions.....how far into the SECOND term are we and what has he done yet? the answer is nothing!! The states are starting to take things into their own hands and get things done, but now we have car companies complaining that they have no right....in the film Al Gore (who I campaigned for and voted for and met Tipper Gore the last time he ran....AWEOME people, IMHO) showed the CO2 emmissions rating standards of the world...we are the lowest and by a LANDSLIDE!
IT's scary that there are STILL some people who DO deny that we are in a global crisis....MY PARENTS, for instance, are relating it to the theory of the 2012 shift and the end of the MAyan calendar and such. They want to take no responsibility for their actions, just like so many different people. "we are in a natural cycle of heating and cooling..." blah blah blah....no we aren't.
We are going to watch it againt his morning. I think we may purchase it.
~*~Brightest Blessings~*~
Tasha-Rose
blogs: http://gaiarose.wordpress.com
http://frugalwitch.wordpress.com |
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bramble
True Blue Farmgirl
2044 Posts
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Posted - Dec 03 2006 : 09:33:08 AM
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This was a powerful movie that everyone should see. Our planet is not a political game piece that can be shuffled around indefinitely
and ignored. Strong measures should be inacted now, though long overdue to atleast slow down what we have so carelessly put into motion.
This administration has relaxed more EPA regulations than any administration EVER. And the previous EPA director (Our former governor) was a "team" player and didn't stand up to corporate infractions and major violators so there was alot of uncontested amnesty for corporate offenders. Whatever political party you may side with, this is downright shameful and there is NO excuse. What is always true: SOMEONE is making money and doesn't want( and isn't made) to do the RIGHT thing. We could revitalize farming in this country if we were to advocate (demand) more alternative fuels like biodiesel, etc but that is not where the financial interests of this political party are placed presently. I am rarely cynical and usually willing to hear both sides but there is just no excuse in this case but greed and ignorance. I have been hearing about global warming since grade school and with scientific documentation that now spans more than 40 years these people still have the audacity to say it isn't happening. There is NO excuse for doing nothing and pretending it isn't happening.
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westernhorse51
True Blue Farmgirl
1681 Posts
michele
farmingdale
n.j.
USA
1681 Posts |
Posted - Dec 03 2006 : 11:09:21 AM
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I saw the movie, did my small part for Gore also and love him, still think he would have been a GREAT pres. I want to keep my politics out of it because my VERY STRONG feelings on this administration are not kind at all & I try on here not to rant my feelings and on this subject, I can rant.  I just hope & pray we wake up before it really is too late.
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westernhorse51
True Blue Farmgirl
1681 Posts
michele
farmingdale
n.j.
USA
1681 Posts |
Posted - Dec 03 2006 : 11:10:39 AM
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also, I feel everyone everywhere should see this movie. They want to police states about everything else but not what really matters.
she selects wool and flax and works with eager hands Prov.31:13 |
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GaiasRose
True Blue Farmgirl
2552 Posts
Tasha-Rose
St. Paul
Minnesota
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Posted - Dec 03 2006 : 11:34:04 AM
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Michele, ITA on the Current Occupant.....I never voted for him and I am sad daily at the inaction on the things he PROMISED to act on....like the CO2 emissions. I can rant too, I assure you ;)
~*~Brightest Blessings~*~
Tasha-Rose
blogs: http://gaiarose.wordpress.com
http://frugalwitch.wordpress.com |
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jo Thompson
True Blue Farmgirl
603 Posts
Jo
the mountainside of the Chugach
in Alaska
USA
603 Posts |
Posted - Dec 03 2006 : 11:38:30 AM
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I just wrote this long diatribe and realized I wasn't logged in!! You girls rock! We are currently crossing our fingers that our new governor will not sell out all of our natural resources to the mining industry.... They are planning an open pit mine in Bristol Bay, one of the most beautiful pristine places on the planet I kid you not. It will more than likely destroy fish, habitat and poison the region forever.... It's for GOLD, for pete's sake. Can you eat gold???? It is our primary fishery for salmon where the rivers empty out into. What are people thinking??
We need to thank Al Gore for putting himself out there....... jo
"friends don't let friends eat farmed salmon"
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Annab
True Blue Farmgirl
2900 Posts
Anna
Seagrove
NC
USA
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Posted - Dec 03 2006 : 12:52:08 PM
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I'll be curious to see this film myself.
However, I must chime in and say be careful what you wish for. I'm all for being a good steward of the earth , but I'm not for tying our hands and "legistaing" this and that to the point of becoming incopacitated and being ruled by rules.
I'm very leery of some nature programs and educational- environmental issues. There is a balance that can be met. It doesn't have to always lean to extreme sides.
Lets please leave the political b!@# !@#$ out of this happy forum and save it for the coffee houses and news papers
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ArmyWifey
True Blue Farmgirl
712 Posts
Holly
Abilene
KS
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Posted - Dec 03 2006 : 1:38:07 PM
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agreed Annab
As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord!
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LauraH
True Blue Farmgirl
305 Posts
Laura
North Creek
New York
USA
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Posted - Dec 03 2006 : 2:44:44 PM
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I just watched this movie last week, very scary & very real. How are we as a people going to stop it or at least slow it down??? The polar bears swimming 60 miles and drowning was a hitting image for me.. WHole glaciers are melted, no longer exist. what kind of world are we going to leave for out kids and grandkids? Not a very positive film, but a must see..
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westernhorse51
True Blue Farmgirl
1681 Posts
michele
farmingdale
n.j.
USA
1681 Posts |
Posted - Dec 03 2006 : 3:19:18 PM
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how are our hands to be anymore "tied" then they are now? How are we to be more ruled by rules then we are now? We have less rights & freedoms now then we had in years & our planet is dying faster. My feeling is we are already incopacitated w/ this administration. It is our responsibility as a people to care for this planet and right now the job were doing sucks!
she selects wool and flax and works with eager hands Prov.31:13 |
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asnedecor
True Blue Farmgirl
1054 Posts
Anne
Portland
Or
USA
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Posted - Dec 03 2006 : 3:34:00 PM
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I think it will come down to local regional and state governments to get the ball really rolling. Right now Oregon along with other states is suing the federal government on car emission(sp?)standards. Oregon feels they are not strict enough. Also in the Portland Metro area we keep increasing ways to get around without using a car. We have bicycle paths that go from a town clear out on the east side of Portland to the a town clear out on the west, with paths connecting inner city. We have light rail to help with mass commuters and we have the trolley downtown. We have strict DEQ regulations for cars that you must pass every few years. We have the urban growth boundary which limits building and keeps urban sprawl under control - which helps keep a vital downtown area and inner city neighborhoods. Oregonians are big on beach cleanups every year both in the spring and fall. We protect our forests, wildlife, waterways etc. All of this, plus much more is because of "grass root" movements here in Oregon to get our government to change. That is where I think we will make the difference, don't wait for Uncle Sam.
Anne in Portland
"Weeds are flowers too, once you get to know them" Eyeore from Winnie the Pooh
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bramble
True Blue Farmgirl
2044 Posts
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Posted - Dec 03 2006 : 4:56:32 PM
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By becoming educated on the hard cold(or in this case HOT) scientific facts there really shouldn't be any debate about whether or not this is happening. Check National Weather Service records, Agricultural farm reports not printed by the government and it will become very clear. National Geographic has been documenting this for decades and has never fronted a political opinion other than to document THE FACTS. By relaxing EPA regulations this administration has undermined what local/state governments have tried to protect. I have had clients who filled in wetland areas and were livid that it was legislated it be restored at great expense to themselves. If an individual had behaved in a responsible manner the ripple effect would not have affected more than "a swampy area near a parking lot they wanted to pave". We replaced grasses, indigenous plants and tried to return what wildlife had previously been there. On a small scale maybe not so earth shattering but when this is done on a larger scale and with much more heinous results, I say legislate with severe penalties for those who chose to disregard what is best for everyone in order for a few to profit.
There was a plant Ciba Geigy that was dumping cancinogens directly into the Toms River here in New Jersey. This river flows into the Barnegat Bay and then into the Atlantic Ocean. This company had so many infractions, violations, and just blatant disregard for their community that there became great concern for the health of the surrounding communities. A cancer ring was found in this area with cancers so rare it was impossible not to be connected to what this company dumped. On a different front, fishing which was always good in this area began to decline drastically and the locals wouldn't fish anywhere near this formerly productive area. Was it a coincidence Republicans were in power at the time and nothing was being done? I don't think so. I didn't want this discussion to become about partisanship, but the facts are the facts.
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westernhorse51
True Blue Farmgirl
1681 Posts
michele
farmingdale
n.j.
USA
1681 Posts |
Posted - Dec 03 2006 : 7:23:28 PM
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I worked down the street from Ciba Geigy, lived about 3 miles from it at one point. People are still fighting for monetary comp. in this case. The area also has another very big problem that I lived 2 miles away from in Forked River, The nuke plant. People STILL fish in those waters, still swim & boat. All those radio active materials float right to Barnegat Bay, the river & the ocean. What is totally frustrating is the fact that this plant gets inspected on a regular basis & still runs because "they" say it is safe. Go visit those waters, see if its safe.
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ArmyWifey
True Blue Farmgirl
712 Posts
Holly
Abilene
KS
712 Posts |
Posted - Dec 03 2006 : 8:42:14 PM
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Are they? (The facts I mean) or have they been skewed by personal opinion and dialectic thinking on the Democrats part? (If you want to talk partasianship). Not everything is as it seems on either side.
As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord!
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GaiasRose
True Blue Farmgirl
2552 Posts
Tasha-Rose
St. Paul
Minnesota
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ArmyWifey
True Blue Farmgirl
712 Posts
Holly
Abilene
KS
712 Posts |
Posted - Dec 03 2006 : 10:27:29 PM
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Facts can be skewed no matter who's using them. Yes it may be fact that these types of things are happening, but is it really fact that it's the President's fault or is that someones opinion? kwim? If you want to stick to facts than stick to facts and not inferences. We live near Hinkley, CA (of Erin Brockovich fame)- there are some pretty scary facts in the case but there are also lots of opinions, editorials, etc to wade through.
Drives me up the wall when people skew things to suit themselves or thier agenda ... no matter which way you vote.
As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord!
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GaiasRose
True Blue Farmgirl
2552 Posts
Tasha-Rose
St. Paul
Minnesota
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frannie
True Blue Farmgirl
2246 Posts
fran
bonham
texas
USA
2246 Posts |
Posted - Dec 04 2006 : 06:58:37 AM
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well, i thought i would be satisfied by just reading the very eloquent and thoughtful letters from my farmgirl sisters but yall have me ralled up about a subject that is near and dear to my heart.
i dont have alot of answers but boy do i have questions.
first let me say everything i know about this subject has come unfortunately from living in the shadow of the usas largest refinery area, at least for sure maybe in the southwest, texas city, texas. a place that at one time was a beautiful natural wetland and just miles from an agricultural area that was in the 30s the most productive aricultural area in the united states.
what i know about the petrochemical industry is that they are lovers of profit at any cost. they lie to their workers, they lie to their neighbors, whatever it takes to make money. the hazards of benzene for example were long known to the petro industry but they made deals with the europeans to keep this info secret and away from the workers.
galveston co. texas has one of the highest incidents of cancer in the country, it also has motco, look it up one of the most dangerous toxic waste dumps in the world.
here are some of my questions.
if we are serious about cleaning up this mess, why arent we utilizing the experts from the alternative energy sources?....and who are they? seems they should be well known to us and our leaders if we really wanted to turn this around.
in my day ralph nadar was a man who was well respected for dedicating his life to these questions, when was the last time you saw him on tv, or in washington being asked his advice?
why do the officials on energy always come from the petro industry, what should we expect except more of the same if we are gonna ask the fox to guard the henhouse?
while we are at it, i have also wondered why if we are at war, and our families are being asked to make sacrifices, why is there no cap on the bonuses and salaries of the petro ceos, and other big corporate types. this would make me realize that "we" are in this together and maybe it would make me feel better about sending my soninlaw to afghanistan to make the world safer for the chemical czars.
sound angry dont i?
well, i'm afraid i live in a world that has become increasingly unfair to workers, the elderly and children, or anyone who has any type of disability.
i do not need my government to protect me from gay and lesians and people who choose to have abortions. i have a spiritual life and i can make my own mind up about how i want to treat people. but i do need my government to take care of things that as an individual i cant do alone. i cant police the petrochemical companyies alone, i cant aid the katrina victims alone, i cant make the ceos of large corporations have a sense of fairness and participate willingly in the betterment of our country. how do they cash those large checks and buy another mercedes when there are elderly in this country who cant afford their medicines, and children who go to schools were they have no textbooks, and veterans who arent receiving the benefits they were promised.
these are my heroes. anyone whose life work involves the feeding, clothing or shelter of other human beings. if your work involves those areas im for you. if your work revolves aroung making the most money then good for you, but i am not impressed.
and while we are at it, who decided that globalization was good for us. it is good for the big money makers, but as for me and mine, it doesnt give us good work, or a good work place, it doesnt value the human spirit here or abroad as far as i can tell.
well i am just rambling on, and thanks for the opportunity to get that off my chest. like i said, i have alot of questions but no answers. if you ladies here of solutions please keep us posted. in the meantime, i continue to try and think for myself, i try in my everyday life to reward fair and logical people and companies, and i try to live my own life without so much excess and without being seduced by the love of money at all cost that seems to surround me in this world today.
i guess thats one reason why i love this site so much, it has some of the most thoughtful women i have run across in a long time. who seem to put alot of thought and care into how they live their lives.
i know this could be a little bit of an edgy thread but i for one am greatful the topic was posted. sorry this was so long.
love
fran
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GaiasRose
True Blue Farmgirl
2552 Posts
Tasha-Rose
St. Paul
Minnesota
2552 Posts |
Posted - Dec 04 2006 : 07:04:42 AM
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I have to formulate a reply Frannie, but I did want to say that, I didn't intend for this to be so edgy, but Farmgirls aren't always sweet and sugar, especially when it comes to these sorts of things....we can't call ourselves Farmgirls, if we do not indeed treasure the Earth from which our farms spring....be we Christian, Pagan, LEft or Right. Treasure does not mean worship, mind you.
I am glad we are having this discussion. That is the overall point of the film, to get people talking and in turn, taking action.
I'll have a bit more of a post later, as I have to get the girls breakfast and think on what exactly I want to say...
~*~Brightest Blessings~*~
Tasha-Rose
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frannie
True Blue Farmgirl
2246 Posts
fran
bonham
texas
USA
2246 Posts |
Posted - Dec 04 2006 : 07:57:10 AM
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when i said edgy, i meant my response.
i come to the farmsite myself as a respite from the world were i dont always seem to fit in, but here i find other like minds on some things, as you say regardless of spiritual beliefs, right , left or otherwise. but i agree that we all probably have a love of the earth and its potential beauty and abundance.....if we dont mess it up too much!
my point also is that if you lived your childhood in a refinery town, you dont need the world to tell you that the petro folks have been messing up for a long time.
this is what it was like for us.
we lived in constant fear of the sirens, cause it probably meant someones dad was dead. the stars are not visible at night because the sky is a constant pinkyorange glow. the ground shakes all thetime.
if your friends dad works in the chemical plant, you didnt have to be told, you knew because they all smelled like chemicals, even if they bathed , the smell wouldnt go away.
i was a pretty smart cookie as a kid, and managed to leave my home town and get a masters degree, but i was 20 years old before i realized that the smell of a norther coming in was not suppose to smell like rotten eggs, or worse, ammonia if it came in from the east.
i dont believe that children should grow up in the shadow of a chemical plant.....and maybe thats why i chose to move to the country as soon as i could.
but my point also is thatas a child, there were adults making decisions that it was okay for their workers, for the communities where this work occuredand for the children who didnt get a vote to live under these kind of conditions, so people could make a profit. i think generations of looking the other way and rationalizing that this kind of means is justified by the end result takes its toll on a persons spirit....and these are the kind of folks that live in our white house. there i said it, i also would like to add, the last time we had a farmer in the white house, we practically crucified him .....and we replaced him with a grade b movie actor.
i am just more than ready for a change, and i am open to suggestions for how to see that happen.
while i agree that both political parties have their agenda and can put their own spin on things, i seldom listen to what people say, i watch what they do.
as for me and mine, we do not own a large corporation, we do not worship at the altar of money and we arent impressed with the folks that have the most money. as i said in my other post. i am impressed by people who create with their hands and hearts anything that contributes to food, shelter and clothing.
i am very ready for corporate america to get some ethics, heart and patriotism back in their lives, and then maybe i will be impressed with them.
i appreciate your starting this thread, and i dont want my words to hurt anyone, but i also am tired of the actions of some of my fellow americans being hurtful, ie, petro types, credit card types, and just corporate america in general.
it is not important to me that we all have the same spiritual journey,.....it is important to me that we have a thoughtful journey, and in my world, there is more than one trail to take to the same destination.
i will continue to be open to your point of view tasha, because i have already learned things from you in the past and i know i will continue to if i have an open heart.
thanks agin for this thought provoking thread and the chance to get some of this off my chest.
love
fran
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ArmyWifey
True Blue Farmgirl
712 Posts
Holly
Abilene
KS
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Posted - Dec 04 2006 : 08:22:15 AM
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Good questions Frannie. Some of it is how I feel as well..........to many people in this world don't think for themselves anymore and easily beleive out and out lies fed to them by either side. The media is just horrible at reporting only part of the facts and letting people take it from there! That's what I meant by skewing facts. The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth isn't valued much anymore.
We try very hard to think for ourselves and not buy everything told to us by anyone (anyone need beach front property in AZ? although if CA falls off in the ocean... just as long as it waits til we move!), to worship the Lord and Him alone, and to teach our Children the same.
Holly
ps... and since WHEN does Mr. Gore not have his own agenda?
As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord!
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westernhorse51
True Blue Farmgirl
1681 Posts
michele
farmingdale
n.j.
USA
1681 Posts |
Posted - Dec 04 2006 : 5:47:17 PM
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Holly, you must be really up the wall then w/ this administration.
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An Inconvenient Truth
