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Across the Fence:  An Inconvenient Truth  |
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westernhorse51
True Blue Farmgirl
1681 Posts
michele
farmingdale
n.j.
USA
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 Posted - Dec 04 2006 : 6:02:41 PM
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Mr. Gore does have an agenda, it is to try to take care of our planet! It beats thinking of new ways to destroy the earth for more oil for Bush & his cronies to get richer. And speaking of the blind leading the blind, I've never seen such a group of people in any election being blindly "lead". I felt like if GW told people to jump off a bridge in the name of saving the world, they would have. He targeted fundamental christians,(his camps words, not mine) cause he knew if he spouted all the right words about God, country, family & saving us all from "evil" they would vote for him and it worked. He lied about so many things & people are realizing it. I can only hope that the next person will do better to save our planet, our military, our economy and our nation. Those are my feelings, no one has to agree.
she selects wool and flax and works with eager hands Prov.31:13 |
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Niamh
True Blue Farmgirl
140 Posts
Idaho
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Posted - Dec 04 2006 : 6:06:30 PM
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I haven't seen this movie, but would like to. I think that I'll approach it as I do anything else done by a politician-after I watch it, I'll fact check and probably find out things were skewed farther one way then the other, but the facts still favor the view being presented. Does that make sense?
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westernhorse51
True Blue Farmgirl
1681 Posts
michele
farmingdale
n.j.
USA
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Posted - Dec 04 2006 : 6:09:22 PM
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YES, YES, YES, i'd love to see Obama run.
she selects wool and flax and works with eager hands Prov.31:13 |
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jo Thompson
True Blue Farmgirl
603 Posts
Jo
the mountainside of the Chugach
in Alaska
USA
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Posted - Dec 04 2006 : 9:04:00 PM
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You should see how oil buys public opinion in Alaska, wowee, it hides behind "public political groups", but if you dig under the garbage, guess where the oilies are..... that's why you really really have to read and research, not just the newspaper.... very fine scientists are used by very underhanded politicians to feed us information that fits their bill. We ALL need to get alot smarter about this. Look at Fox broadcasting news, now if you don't think that is single sided broadcasting being depicted as real news... excuse me but that's pretty tainted stuff as well. Do you see why Bush doesn't like public broadcasting? Because it's PUBLIC broadcasting. I probably should shut up here!
I love you guys, I'll keep my political stuff to myself from now on. I worked all day and I'm a bit cranky. I had to undergo more of the breast ultrasounding/mammmogramming torture routine and then went in and took care of a woman with metastatic breast cancer. I just get worked up when I think of what the environment might be doing to our bodies.......... jo
"friends don't let friends eat farmed salmon"
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frannie
True Blue Farmgirl
2246 Posts
fran
bonham
texas
USA
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Posted - Dec 05 2006 : 08:57:24 AM
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just thought the girls on this thread would like to know that mr. gore is supposed to be on oprah today talking about global warming.
hope it will be the same program in your neck of the woods.
thought since we all seem to be interested in this topic it would give us more to think/talk about.
love
fran
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blueroses
True Blue Farmgirl
1323 Posts
Debbie
in the Pandhandle of
Idaho
USA
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Posted - Dec 05 2006 : 11:37:01 AM
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We watched this movie Thanksgiving weekend. I knew things were bad but they are very bad. It's okay for us to discuss these things - we need to. And we need to find a way to mobilize the world to work on helping the planet to survive. Just my two cents.
"You cannot find peace...by avoiding life."
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westernhorse51
True Blue Farmgirl
1681 Posts
michele
farmingdale
n.j.
USA
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Posted - Dec 05 2006 : 12:15:02 PM
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Jo, you are right. I really don't like to talk politics here either. I dont want to get mad at anyone & I dont want anyone getting mad at me but this subject brings out the worst in me. I feel so helpless sometimes. You believe w/ all your heart about something you know is good for all of us and you want everyone else to see it. Just can't always be that way. Frannie, thanks for the heads up.
she selects wool and flax and works with eager hands Prov.31:13 |
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Annab
True Blue Farmgirl
2900 Posts
Anna
Seagrove
NC
USA
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Posted - Dec 08 2006 : 03:48:46 AM
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About the feelng helpless thing.....that's my whole point
GOVERNMENT should be left OUT. If we ALL pitched in and did what we could, we wouldn't have to rely on the upper ups to do ANYTHING and they could leave us alone
The government shouldn't solve all our problems just as they should have their hands in so many other issues
The think globally act locally thing has its place if we all did a little think of the greater impact
But not everyone holds the same sets of values Think of it in these terms Aids is a huge problem...it could be IRRADICATED if folks practiced abstinance/safer sex, dropped the drug habits and were not accidentally given taited blood accidentally
It all boils down to lifestyle and weather or not we make a conscious effort on our own to CHANGE! Same applies to environmantal issues BUT, I want to make the choice myself rather than having some huge government entity make the choice for me. Get my point??
The earth IS heating up. It goes through cycles every million years......or someting like that we just happen to be on it this time.
Remember the ice age???? that was a cycle too brought on by a metiorite. Still a natural cause
And for us Christians, this earth is going to go away in a firey inferno anyway and we won't be here! First time was a flood, next time... BLAMMO!
Last point most of these doom and gloom shows/publications get you by stirring up all kinds of worst case scerarios. They cause unnecessary panic and knee jerk reactions Feeling moved to do something is great.....mass panic and freaking out solves nothing
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westernhorse51
True Blue Farmgirl
1681 Posts
michele
farmingdale
n.j.
USA
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Posted - Dec 10 2006 : 2:13:39 PM
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not all of us feel that education and information are gloom & doom, and while yes, we will burn up in end of times (I believe) it doesn't mean we can't try to prevent & take care of the planet for our children & their children. " A 1,000 years is like a day & a day is like a 1,000 years". We don't know when it will happen.
she selects wool and flax and works with eager hands Prov.31:13 |
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Libbie
Farmgirl Connection Cultivator
3579 Posts
Anne E.
Elsinore
Utah
USA
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Posted - Dec 10 2006 : 4:04:09 PM
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One of the really valuable things about this forum, and about all of us farmgirls, is how we can all come together and discuss issues in the world without hanging onto the "labels" that are so prevalent in our society - we aren't our political parties or anything else in it's entirety - except for ourselves! It's so easy to think that we know what someone else thinks simply because they belong to a certain "group." We all have this incredible amount of wisdom and experience within that only WE have - amazing, isn't it! I think that the labeling and "digging into positions" might just be what got our world into the messes it's in...
XOXO, Libbie
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bohemiangel
True Blue Farmgirl
2087 Posts
Bridget
Ligonier
pa
USA
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Posted - Dec 11 2006 : 04:58:58 AM
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I want to cry about the polar bears:(:( poor things
"... to thine ownself be true." |
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grace gerber
True Blue Farmgirl
2804 Posts
grace
larkspur
colorado
USA
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Posted - Dec 11 2006 : 3:27:19 PM
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I purchased the dvd and when I come across someone who has not seen it yet I lend it out. I had to stop the move many times because I would just start crying. I remember in 1975 I started the first eco-club in my high school and they just about laughed me out. I managed to get a group of 9 students to join in picking up trash, talking to local groups and walking with signs in our hands on the weekend. I could not believe how much the general public did not care, not much has changed. I have been called all kinds of names for keeping my mind and practices on planet earth while other drive Hummers and throw fast food wrapers out their window in front of our farm. I too wish that at least this movie would be played in the schools for they are our consumers of the future and it does not seem like parents are teaching this to them. After I had dried my tears it only made me more determined to teach when and where ever I can the need to take care of our one and only planet. These issues are not politcal they are mankind. I am excited to know that this group/site is willing to take on the work of loving our planet. Hugs to you all.
Grace Gerber
Larkspur Funny Farm and Fiber Art Studio
Where the spirits are high and the fiber is deep
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Annab
True Blue Farmgirl
2900 Posts
Anna
Seagrove
NC
USA
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Posted - Dec 12 2006 : 08:52:57 AM
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And yet, visit someplce like Australia....and it remains virtually unchanged.......I was there for a month in 1989 and will forever be ebchanted w/ the culture and the land itself.
Pity for the polar bears and critters in Africa. What's the statistic? An animal goes extinct every couple minutes?????
We live in a very complex world it is fragile and demands we take care of it
The pollution aspect really made an ampact on me when I lived in the desert....nuthin' but clean air there....the closer you drive to LA, you start to see this yellow haze. Pretty gross
I'm so glad to be living in the country where for the moment our closest neighbor is 1/4 mile away and I can roam the fileds and woods and not hear anything but leaves and critters. |
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westernhorse51
True Blue Farmgirl
1681 Posts
michele
farmingdale
n.j.
USA
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Posted - Dec 12 2006 : 11:19:33 AM
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nature (besides God) is the one thing that keeps me grounded. When I get feeling "crazy" w/ the negatives like pollution, extinction of animals, hungry people, war etc. then I NEED & MUST go outside, take a walk, breathe deep & meditate in nature. I don't ever want to lose that. I need it to regroup & get strength till the next thing comes along. Even if it's only in my small garden in spring & summer, it's what makes me whole again. We shouldn't be getting warmer anymore then we shouldn't have hungry people in this world but... we do and we must continue to always fight it w/ love, kindness, support and respect. I for one know how hard that is to do sometimes because the subject makes me so crazy & angry but anger doesn't solve it. Persistance, willingness, opportunity and plain old caring does. Enough of us care & we all can do something everyday to help if we look hard enough.
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Birdcat
MaryJane's Farmboy
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erik
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Posted - Jan 10 2007 : 3:36:25 PM
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This is fascinating reading. It's wonderful to see so many peeps energized by this debate. I've been quiet for awhile but feel like I want to speak up.
First, I like Mr. Gore’s agenda. It is an agenda because it is proactive rather than passive. It’s constructive, rather than destructive. It’s big vision, not boxed in. And for once we have a unifying theme that’s not based around war.
To say that government shouldn’t be involved is to deny that government has had a role in where we’re at right now. The form of government we have (worldwide) sponsors violence as a solution and pollution as normal and inevitable. Yes, I believe in personal responsibility and choice, but we have to transform government so that it is transparent and responsive to the common good, not just to the criminally greedy or the peeps looking so far beyond heaven on earth that they can’t wait for heaven in the sky.
Do the greedy and warlike have children? Do they ever think seven generations or even one generation ahead? I have difficulty comprehending what makes these guys tick. Is the payoff really that good?
And, although I’m definitely going to rustle some feathers here, what will the pious say in response to St. Peter when he asks them what they did to nurture God’s greatest gift? God poured heart and soul into the earth’s creation, so do you really get a free pass to heaven for complicity with a scorched earth attitude?
Gore is a hero. He’s bright, articulate and he’s brought attention and the possibility of solutions to the attention of a country usually too focused on American Idol to wake up and look outside (or inside). He’s challenging us to tune into the ultimate reality show. It’s not just his agenda, it’s our agenda.
That said, we just had a wonderful discussion here in the design hut about it and the girls and I came to the insight that despite all the rancor, divisiveness and despair over this issue, our most powerful tool to deal with this is to stay positive and cultivate joy, because we’ll never make it by tying ourselves into knots or indulging in war.
Thanks to Clare and Tasha for starting this discussion.
-birdboy
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Clare
True Blue Farmgirl
2173 Posts
NC WA State
USA
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Birdcat
MaryJane's Farmboy
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erik
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Posted - Jan 10 2007 : 7:15:57 PM
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Thanks, Clare. Always wonderful to hear your voice too, darlin'.
I try not to meddle in the forum too much but ya'll are talkin' about something i think we should all be talkin' and doin' somethin' about. Time and complacency are not luxuries we have anymore, if we ever did...
I should say that i'm only speaking for myself and am not trying to represent the farm in any way. Well, 'cept for that last paragraph about joy, that's pure MJ & Carol. I tend to be a bit moodier than the joy sprites i work with. 
Love the Niebuhr quote by the way. I read once that he influenced MLKjr more than anyone else with the exception of Jesus & Gandhi.
-ej
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Destiny~
True Blue Farmgirl
195 Posts
Dar
west
TX
USA
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Posted - Jan 11 2007 : 05:29:28 AM
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I haven't been able to watch the entire program yet. I was actually surprised to find it here since this is where Bush grew up and things are very skewed here compared to everywhere else. When oil prices were going up, people here were buying large SUV's for themselves and diesel trucks for their 16 yr olds. While the housing industry in the rest of the counrty is dropping off, we have a housing boom and most are building McMansions. It's insane but it helps me to better understand why Bush does some of the things he does.
Btw, I'm planning to downsize my home and I drive a Prius. I'm considered an oddity in this town so sites like this one are my lifeline to reality.
"Let us, together, sow seeds for a better harvest-a harvest for hope."
Jane Goodall, Harvest for Hope |
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MustangSuzie
True Blue Farmgirl
634 Posts
Sarah
New London
Missouri
USA
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Posted - Jan 11 2007 : 06:44:37 AM
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| If we all would be good stewards of what we have been given, act responsibly and stand together to make a voice for what is right the earth would be a much better place. And in my opinion the entire government should be fired and we need to start over. The founding fathers gave everything the had and worked voluntarily. Do you think we would find a politician today that would be willing to make that sacrifice????? |
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Destiny~
True Blue Farmgirl
195 Posts
Dar
west
TX
USA
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Posted - Jan 11 2007 : 08:39:54 AM
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My comments may make more sense if I mention that this is the heart of oil country, which is how the Bush's made their money.
In the last couple of years, while the paychecks of the rest of the country got smaller every time they fueled up, the bonuses and dividends of a lot of people here got bigger.
"Let us, together, sow seeds for a better harvest-a harvest for hope."
Jane Goodall, Harvest for Hope |
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Destiny~
True Blue Farmgirl
195 Posts
Dar
west
TX
USA
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Posted - Jan 12 2007 : 10:47:04 AM
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This is an interesting development.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16593606/
"Let us, together, sow seeds for a better harvest-a harvest for hope."
Jane Goodall, Harvest for Hope |
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gardengirl
Farmgirl in Training
20 Posts
Stone Ridge
NY
USA
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Posted - Jan 12 2007 : 11:14:32 AM
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Hello Everyone ...Yes ....what to do? ...work together ...support each other in growing food locally ... gather and dissuss how to help each other and the planet ...ride share ... child care ... switch our light bulbs to more efficient ones ..drive less ... . think before we build ...recycle ...stop using pesticides ...gather and talk ...inform others ... I know there is a web site that talks about how we can do our part .... it starts from within and it starts at home ...please join in ... Best wishes Nicci
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gardengirl
Farmgirl in Training
20 Posts
Stone Ridge
NY
USA
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Posted - Jan 17 2007 : 8:16:50 PM
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The web site tthat helps you understand what you can do to make a difference is www.NRDC.org
Together we make a difference! |
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westernhorse51
True Blue Farmgirl
1681 Posts
michele
farmingdale
n.j.
USA
1681 Posts |
Posted - Jan 18 2007 : 06:21:59 AM
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Great web-site, thanks. I'vepassed it around.
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laluna
True Blue Farmgirl
295 Posts
New York
USA
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Posted - Jan 19 2007 : 1:55:02 PM
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| I *finally* borrowed and watched the film last weekend - what an eye-opener! At about the half-way point, I was so sad and ready to hit the 'stop' button and let it go at that, but I made myself sit through the entire thing since I've heard so many people say that it does give you hope at the end, and it did. I was so inspired by what I saw in fact that I'm going to see if I can work it into my curriculum (I teach middle school - grade 8 English) as a media literacy/film criticism mini-unit. My students are already so keyed into the notion of global warming, so I think to see it actually presented like this would inspire a whole new generation, which is how I think we can hope to see change happen. |
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